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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with Jeana with

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Chris who else could it be we're back at

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the para cast considering a fascinating

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episode we had last week with the ever

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politically correct and super smooth

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Jann Hardison he's a smooth talker isn't

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it well you know Jan is Jan he's he's a

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really sweet guy

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you know I found him quite you know

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engaging he is you know he's I think

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somebody mentioned on the forums that he

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missed his call and he should have been

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a politician and I guess he's finally

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found a political sort of form and venue

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to be smooth and engaging in politically

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correct I thought he did a good job

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I found his account of his childhood

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you know the encounter with his brother

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really fascinating it I'm still

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scratching my head over it but you know

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I can see why someone as high-powered as

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him would have a lifelong interest in

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the subject matter if you know something

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like that occurred it was quite

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fascinating to me

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isn't it interesting we can go to the

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second part of the interview in a moment

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but isn't it interesting how many people

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get interested in UFOs and other

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subjects because they have some kind of

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unusual encounter when they are between

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five and ten years of age yeah well I'm

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one of them so I definitely know what

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you're saying on that one with me it

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wasn't so much the encounter which I

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never had it is the fact that my late

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brother left a copy of one of major

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Kiyo's books on his coffee table this is

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back in his apartment on Carroll Street

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in Brooklyn I can't believe I remember

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that and he was at work my mom and I

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went to visit his home and I saw the

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book and I was intrigued and I asked his

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wife could I borrow that and she said go

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ahead now at no time did he ever leave a

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book for me to look at just this one

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time

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and I was hooked

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and that's how it all started let's look

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at the second part the other shoe

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dropping with Jan Harrison politically

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correct so I asked him because listeners

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were concerned what about having people

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like Steven Greer as a featured speaker

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at the MUFON annual conference do you

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really think that sets forth a good

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public position for MUFON because you

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have to be politically correct you want

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to attract people who are just part of

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the field but Outsiders who might be

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interested in UFOs and there's by the

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way

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a new survey had it that 48% of the

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people believe in UFOs and possibility

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visitors so that's the latest survey all

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right now he kind of ignored all the

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baggage that Greer had says well he's

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done some good work I just think he's

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overlooking the obvious well yeah that

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was what I know we did press him a

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little on that and and you know I think

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Jan as I mentioned I think in the way I

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formulated the question I think I gave

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him an out by saying I know you're

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trying to get butts in the seats and

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stuff and now Greer does have a certain

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amount of appeal to a lot of uninformed

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sort of want to believe types out there

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and and it was similar with the 2011 UFO

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Congress where Greer was there and Stan

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Romanek and other people who have really

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put a lot of effort and energy into

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self-promotion getting the word out

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about their particular take on the

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subject and they're you know kind of he

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go I think

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driven we ration al for you know what

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they believe and what they prepare to

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their audience and and and that does

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have a tremendous amount of Appeal out

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there to people that have been educated

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by the media and by self-promoters it to

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me it's you can't you've got to draw a

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line somewhere and I think that drawing

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the line and not having someone like a

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Greer at your conference I think is you

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know it's it's a hard one for people

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like cars an and others to make that

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determination

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you know sure greer has done a lot of

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good work but but that was you know ten

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fifteen years ago we're much further

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down the down the river now and you know

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I I think the the the negatives vastly

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outweigh the positives when it comes to

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people like Greer Sean David Morton

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another big draw at conferences still

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and and it baffles me that people are

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able to overlook these glaring

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inconsistencies problems potential

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problems so surrounding the issue of

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integrity and and it's unfortunate that

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he he's you know I think he's in a

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position of really trying to get people

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to shell out the Bucks and attend the

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conference so that they can continue and

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I think the whole MUFON model is

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outmoded and they're going to have to

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come up with a way to to integrate

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themselves into social media and attract

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a younger more vibrant creative you know

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audience out there and membership it's

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it's I think we're at a real critical

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point in the field of ufology and and

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for groups like the UFO Congress and you

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know MUFON and other conferences to have

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these questionable characters up there I

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think is doing themselves a disservice

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and they're they're helping sink this

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field further and further everything is

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you have to look at the demographic here

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what is dr. Greer's demographic I don't

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think it's the younger people no not at

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all I don't think he gets the 25 to 49

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age bracket I don't think those people

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care about Steven Greer or about what he

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did 20 years ago

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no well it's you know and now with art

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bell coming back on the air or an XM

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radio of course the the gruesome

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foursome that he has lined up for his

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first week of a broadcast the same cast

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of characters Greer Oakland Dame's you

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know it's it's really it's sad and I

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think it's people are trying to you know

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these shows and these conference so

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organizers I think that they're stuck in

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a in like Chipmunks in the the you know

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the little revolving wheel in the cage I

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think they're just spinning their wheels

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and digging themselves deeper in deep

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and I asked him a very key question I

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said okay MUFON has been around since

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the late 1960s what progress have you

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made and I really don't think I ever got

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a satisfactory answer because the answer

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is they haven't there is no progress and

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if you get a few more bodies in a

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conference by having Steven Greer or

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Paula Harris there I don't think that

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helps the cause I don't think that

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attracts the kind of people you want

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because when you have people like that

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and people realize that these people

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have problems with the things they say

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like Paula Harris will tell you that

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billy meier is the real deal okay when

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you have people like that getting in

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there and representing the field

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these people are representing UFO field

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the people who come there unless they're

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engaged in this activity they don't know

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from who these people are no they have

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no idea about the baggage or they may

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look up Steven Greer later and say oh if

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this guy's doing some wacko things maybe

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everybody involved in the UFO field is

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doing some wacko things therefore why

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should we bother with them because

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they're doing wacko things exactly and

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it's pushing academia it's pushing the

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scientific community further and further

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away from the real core of ufology which

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I would consider to be more grounded

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scientific healthily skeptical and

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attempting to pull the the field forward

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and and do you know and do real good

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grounded our data research and and

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because of these grand standards out

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there who are pontificating these you

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know uncorroborated stories reports and

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opinions it just has the obvious effect

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of driving away serious scientific

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interest in in the public arena in these

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subjects we know behind the scenes that

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there's undoubtedly as we'll find out

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today you know with our with our guests

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so there is a lot of interest behind the

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scenes that has

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below the public radar but in terms of

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trying to attract scientists and

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academics to the field publicly it's

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it's a death knell for the careers

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because of the of this just fuzzy logic

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and ungrounded uncorroborated sort of

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thinking I just have problems with it

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today on the parent Cass will be looking

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at the real area 51 which is a book

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subtitled the secret history of

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wright-patterson that's state in Ohio

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that's not mere art bells territory in

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Nevada the books written by Thomas Carey

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and Donald Schmidt Donald Schmidt will

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be joining us in the power cast to talk

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about the book lots more to come with

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the real area 51 is supposed to what the

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fake area 51 we'll find out what that

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means we have Donald Schmidt he's

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co-author of inside the real area 51 the

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secret history of Wright Patterson and

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he wrote that book with Thomas Carey now

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I notice in our schedule of shows for

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the para cast the last time you were on

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Don Schmidt it was six years ago a

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feeling that would have been for a

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witness to Roswell or that's right

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that's best-selling book right okay so

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it's a best-seller is it yes and the

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revised edition was also a best-seller

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in fact the the first one 2007 was the

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number one selling UFO book in the world

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for 2007 through 2008 so so much for

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Roswell being passe I guess it's the

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kind of thing you can never give up

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talking about I mean we tried literally

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speaking we're not gonna have another

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Roswell show and we tell our listeners

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and in our forums that forum that the

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para cast come they say we don't want to

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hear about Roswell anymore don't do the

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Roswell thing okay we won't until Kevin

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Randall's back on or someone's back on

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we've also covered of course in recent

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months as tech we have just Ramsey on

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the show we had Scott Ramsey and Kevin

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Randle debating one another that's right

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I require heard that I listen yes

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right well I'm gonna ask you

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fully progress with the real area 51

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what's your take on a stick I am often

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asked that in fact I did an interview in

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Arizona Oh

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when when Oh Stevens was still alive

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because they were doing some work on the

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case even pre Ramsey as far as their

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release of any information and I just

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had to be quite frank and in stating

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that we had a number of colleagues

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through the years that had passed

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through Aztek had tried to come up with

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some even secondhand information and it

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always came up wanting but if I accept

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Roswell I accept that anything of an

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unearthly nature ever crashed ever took

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place

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I do have to remain objective have to

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remain open-minded to other

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possibilities I just can't discount and

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then stand up and say but Roz will

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happen but I just i disavow any other

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such possibilities so I will at least

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remain honest in that position I haven't

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looked into it God knows were busier

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than ever with Roswell and I may

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actually come up with a conclusion

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should I spend the time looking into it

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I know kevin has and I know he also

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feels that he didn't come as prepared to

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the debate as he should have and I would

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I would be in a the exact same boat

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right now that I'm far from qualified to

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voice an opinion and an opinions come a

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dime a dozen well the thing I think that

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bothered me and Chris and Kevin is that

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the paper trail does not exist prior to

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that one the book by Frank scholar at

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the Scully book yes that's correct

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the Scully book set the case for Aztec

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and that was the beginning of everything

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and if you go into Aztec you don't find

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the prehistory it's not there and you

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think it's a small town and my

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impression of small-town America and I'm

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from Brooklyn so that's not quite the

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small town but my impression is that in

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small-town America correct me if I'm

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wrong

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everybody knows everybody

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everything that goes on they know about

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they know about the divorces they know

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who's cheating on my another they know

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about all the happy events they know

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about the sad events and if a UFO

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crashes in their backyard or a few miles

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away they know about it you are

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absolutely correct I do live in a small

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town it's gets grown since my childhood

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but it's one of the things that really

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keeps you on your toes for the fact that

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if you so much has come home late at

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night on your wife the whole street

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knows about you're not telling us

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anything defensive he just got I always

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throw that out you know in the it's you

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I Don Chris Harry I absolutely agree I

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was in a small Colorado town for

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thirteen years when I arrived there were

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155 people there and I'm sorry if

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something had crashed outside of town

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everybody would have known about it and

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it would have created this huge kind of

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uh you know storied the piece of history

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in the town I mean this this is this is

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this would be big news and I just you

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know that's one of the things that I

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really have a problem with Aztek I've

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been through Aztec and I would agree

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with the whole area there and I haven't

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even bothered to as often as I've been

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and we're talking now over a hundred

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times I've been to New Mexico in the

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past 25 years I've never even bothered

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passing through the talent because I I

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do agree with you that something of that

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scale of operation I don't care if it

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was the military retrieving a downed

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aircraft the whole time would have known

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about it I'll cite the example of the

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the the southern Capitan mountains west

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of Corona which is the nearest township

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to the debris field from Roswell and

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there was a small a small plane crash

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and the whole area or probably 50 square

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miles was you know venturing up into

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those foothills just to pick up a

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souvenir pick up anything because word

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got out so that is the most damning

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argument I I do agree as far as a stake

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or any such case

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of that nature I had the same situation

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with Kingman I've been to Kingman

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Arizona right we did a show on Kingman I

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don't know your back and I don't think I

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was really convinced about anything

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there and I've been there I had the

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local newspaper you know even post a

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small little blurb that if anybody had

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any information in regards to anything

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dating back to the early 50s 53

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supposedly when this all went down and

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not so much as a third hand uncle who

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heard of anything you know white sands

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proving grounds and I think it's one of

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the things that stimulated the the

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really a legend the myth that something

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even happened out in the plains of san

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agustin of New Mexico west of Socorro at

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hilarya Magdalena and so on and there

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had been a plane crash out there in 1945

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two years supposedly before Barney

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Barnett talked about stumbling upon you

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know this down craft in some bodies and

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when we actually talked to his his

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former boss Fleck Dan Lee and he stated

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he told us that well Barney didn't start

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talking about this until around 1950 and

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he never gave us a time period he just

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said that it happened out on the plants

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well the plane to San Agustin there are

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a lot of areas through the southwest

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that are called the flats and every time

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we had a lead or a possible you know

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story or anecdote regarding something

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out on the flats we came back to this

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airplane crash in 1945 which had strewn

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wreckage for miles bodies were recovered

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you know hundreds of feet away area was

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cordoned off the military secured the

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site so I had all the makings of what

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eventually bill Moore and Charles

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Berlitz and Stan Friedman would tie into

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1947 with Roswell and I especially in

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wanting to tie in any information

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regarding bodies back in 1980 when Roz

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Winston it came out

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we'll get into more in just a moment we

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have Donald Schmidt co-author with Tom

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Kerry of inside the real area51 the

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secret history of wright-patterson we'll

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dig deep into that in a moment

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listening to the parrot cat and with

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gene and chris and the parrot cast

608
00:27:21,910 --> 00:27:19,460
donald schmidt returns after a six-year

609
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absence for no reason other than i guess

610
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we didn't invite him or something he's

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co-author of inside the real area51 we

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see we attack everybody on the para cast

613
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even when they're here but seriously

614
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speaking what really did it for me and

615
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let me basically preface this by the

616
00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:38,270
fact that i like scott ramsey i met him

617
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:40,550
just once we had lunch few months back

618
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:43,670
in tempe arizona he was in arizona for

619
00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:45,340
business so he went to a really nice

620
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:47,780
middle east restaurant that chris knows

621
00:27:53,410 --> 00:27:50,720
about because he once joined me at the

622
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,420
same restaurant anyway very pleasant

623
00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:55,600
very sincere about what he's doing now

624
00:28:00,940 --> 00:27:58,040
there was an article a three part

625
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:00,950
article published over at Kevin

626
00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:02,750
Randall's blog a different perspective

627
00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:05,300
in February this year by a former

628
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:08,780
resident of Aztec New Mexico who was a

629
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:11,270
teenager when this supposedly happened

630
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:14,690
in 1948 he doesn't remember it he went

631
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:17,810
back to his 60th high school reunion

632
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:20,600
beside his mid to late 70s nobody heard

633
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:22,220
anything about it nobody remembered

634
00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:24,590
anything about it and there you go

635
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:26,300
that's the beginning and end of it fare

636
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:29,990
the people there didn't know the only

637
00:28:32,650 --> 00:28:31,220
evidence you could have other than a

638
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:32,660
couple of people who claimed to have

639
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:35,750
seen something is this concrete slab and

640
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:37,820
how do you assume

641
00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:40,100
that the only purpose for which it could

642
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:43,580
be used was to transport a spaceship yes

643
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:46,490
yes that quantum leap of total

644
00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:48,710
assumption pretty much what you have

645
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:51,350
also as far as with kingman that just

646
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:54,710
because there's a certain peak that

647
00:29:00,550 --> 00:28:57,710
seems to be shaved off a little bit and

648
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:00,560
they found some remnants from some

649
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:02,900
military operations some mess kit and

650
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:06,080
some cans and things well obviously they

651
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:07,490
were out there they retrieve a flying

652
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:08,120
saucer

653
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,770
you know the difference you talk about

654
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:11,840
the high school reunion and a stick

655
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:17,170
there was a rodeo within a day after the

656
00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:20,810
wicked thunderstorm for the July weekend

657
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:23,750
and we talked to numerous witnesses this

658
00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:25,850
is before Brazel the rancher who

659
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,070
discovered the debris field went

660
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:30,320
waltzing into the sheriff's office and

661
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:33,140
Roswell reporting this crash well anyway

662
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:34,730
the day before a couple days before

663
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,940
actually at the rodeo they were passing

664
00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:40,640
pieces around there were people who were

665
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:43,100
already examining and questioning what

666
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:45,350
is this you know strange-looking metal

667
00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:48,050
and we've talked to such people and the

668
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:52,160
same would take place another year later

669
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:56,480
at the corona high school prom the next

670
00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:00,140
May Roswell happening in July of 1947 so

671
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:04,070
in May of 1948 there was talk from a

672
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:06,200
number of the students that somebody had

673
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:09,290
a piece at the prom and was passing it

674
00:30:13,810 --> 00:30:11,720
around and everybody was curious as to

675
00:30:16,540 --> 00:30:13,820
what this stuff really was no one could

676
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:16,550
identify it well just so you know that

677
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:18,280
begs the question what happened to these

678
00:30:22,540 --> 00:30:20,810
souvenir pieces that were alleged to

679
00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:22,550
have been passed around how can we we've

680
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:24,800
never been able to latch onto that you

681
00:30:28,450 --> 00:30:26,180
would think that this would be something

682
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:28,460
that would be treasured in in a family

683
00:30:32,290 --> 00:30:30,170
and and somebody would at some point

684
00:30:34,420 --> 00:30:32,300
come forward and say hey here's one of

685
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:34,430
those pieces well the best example would

686
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:37,220
be the ranchers own son Bill Brazel jr.

687
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:40,400
he would work the ranch and especially

688
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:42,440
after heavy rains he would typically

689
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:44,750
ride even through that particular

690
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:48,980
pasture he found enough pieces to fill

691
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,710
up a cigar box fact one of the pieces

692
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:55,279
described like as far as silken strand

693
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,250
of material that he could hold a lighter

694
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,080
up the one end and the light would heme

695
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,720
it out the opposing and well he's

696
00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:05,120
talking fiber optics if that would be

697
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:07,820
the case back in 1947 yes fiber optics

698
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:09,710
wouldn't come into vogue until around

699
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:13,970
1970 but the most fascinating piece that

700
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:15,830
many of the witnesses have described to

701
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:18,500
us is even his wife Shirley described as

702
00:31:22,659 --> 00:31:20,390
he would come in from the ranch and sit

703
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:22,669
down to dinner each evening and this she

704
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:25,370
would sit down his his food he would

705
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:27,230
pull out this one piece of metal from

706
00:31:31,779 --> 00:31:29,330
his leather chaps night after night and

707
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:31,789
she would watch how no matter how he

708
00:31:36,250 --> 00:31:33,470
would try to cut on it with his buck

709
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,260
knife or he would try to poke the night

710
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:38,720
through he'd hold a lighter up to it no

711
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:39,950
matter what he did with it he could

712
00:31:43,149 --> 00:31:41,809
almost crumble it up or crease it or

713
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,159
he'd hand it to her and she would do the

714
00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:45,440
same and then they would lay it down and

715
00:31:49,539 --> 00:31:47,240
it would just smooth right out on the

716
00:31:51,490 --> 00:31:49,549
surface of the table now he would make

717
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,500
the mistake he was playing pool one

718
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:54,880
night at Wade's bar in Corona and

719
00:32:00,010 --> 00:31:57,529
somebody would bring this up you know

720
00:32:02,019 --> 00:32:00,020
somebody asked that very question he as

721
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,029
you just did Chris you know did you ever

722
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:04,159
find anything if you did you know

723
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:07,279
whatever became of it and he made the

724
00:32:14,169 --> 00:32:10,490
mistake of admitting as he put it well I

725
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,179
found a few scraps well who should be at

726
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:17,600
his door the very next morning but a

727
00:32:23,620 --> 00:32:20,090
captain and we identified that

728
00:32:26,409 --> 00:32:23,630
individual because Brazel remembered the

729
00:32:29,970 --> 00:32:26,419
name as Armstrong and we were able to

730
00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:29,980
track down later he became a major

731
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,169
Emerson Armstrong who worked out of Fort

732
00:32:39,399 --> 00:32:36,320
Bliss he was in charge of youin ball UFO

733
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:39,409
investigation for the Southwest in the

734
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:40,490
early 50s

735
00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:44,840
well anyway Armstrong and three NCOs

736
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:46,940
noncommissioned officers were at

737
00:32:53,019 --> 00:32:50,090
brazil's door and basically said we know

738
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:53,029
what you have and you will give it to us

739
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:56,270
and they had him escort them out to the

740
00:32:59,799 --> 00:32:58,070
site they looked around a little bit

741
00:33:02,080 --> 00:32:59,809
confident there was nothing else out

742
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,090
there and they made him swear just as

743
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:05,120
his father had that if should

744
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:07,160
you ever find anything else he would

745
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:09,590
immediately report it to the air force

746
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:13,220
now this was two years after the

747
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,110
incident his name should have been

748
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:17,840
strong-armed not Armstrong yes yes yes

749
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:20,540
well and as you guys both know back then

750
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:22,610
especially after world war two the

751
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:26,030
military walked on water patriotism was

752
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:28,430
at an all-time high it didn't take much

753
00:33:33,610 --> 00:33:30,650
to convince anyone that whatever the

754
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:33,620
military said or requested of you you

755
00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:36,470
you obeyed like today we don't believe

756
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:37,670
the government we don't believe the

757
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:39,830
military we don't believe the police we

758
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:41,690
don't believe anyone know we're cynics

759
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:44,090
we don't trust anybody and rightfully so

760
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:46,760
it's it's a world turned upside down and

761
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:50,840
that everyone is out for their own

762
00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:53,630
personal agenda and as a result I think

763
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:55,820
back then especially those people who

764
00:34:00,430 --> 00:33:58,010
truly were the salt of the earth these

765
00:34:02,650 --> 00:34:00,440
these old ranchers who no one could

766
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:02,660
accuse them of becoming rich or greedy

767
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:05,240
or looking for fame and fortune they

768
00:34:08,889 --> 00:34:06,740
basically just wanted the government to

769
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,899
leave them alone but if the government

770
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:11,230
did come knocking at their door

771
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:13,970
aside from thinking they were revenuers

772
00:34:19,930 --> 00:34:16,310
there to collect you know some extra

773
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:19,940
taxes it was a case of yes sir how can I

774
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,490
help you and basically how can I get you

775
00:34:27,490 --> 00:34:25,280
out of here as soon as possible Hey as

776
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:27,500
soon as possible let's go right to the

777
00:34:32,649 --> 00:34:30,409
book inside the real area 51

778
00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:32,659
it's about wright-patterson now the

779
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:33,350
first time I heard about

780
00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:36,350
wright-patterson Donald Smith it was the

781
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:38,840
home of Project Blue Book wasn't it yes

782
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:41,990
yes and before that project grudge and

783
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:44,510
before that project sign exactly so this

784
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:47,210
was the center of UFO investigation but

785
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:50,929
you wonder why Dayton Ohio and not

786
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,929
Washington DC but first of all you had

787
00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:57,440
two adjoining bases back in 1947 you had

788
00:35:04,480 --> 00:34:59,900
right field and your Patterson field and

789
00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:04,490
what was strategically important back in

790
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:08,300
47 and post-world War 2 in general you

791
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:11,390
had t2 that was the engineering division

792
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,609
which would eventually become foreign

793
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:16,400
technology this is where they did all

794
00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:18,330
the reverse engineering

795
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,840
captured weaponry armory aircraft and

796
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:24,000
the like from the Germans the Japanese

797
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:27,170
even Soviet MiG's there in the Cold War

798
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,630
so it made perfect sense that if you had

799
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:33,540
something of either for InDesign or

800
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:35,910
something beyond that it would go to

801
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:38,790
right field at least initially for

802
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:41,850
analysis and breakdown and so it could

803
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,000
be documented not only by witnesses from

804
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:47,760
Roswell but also the press that very

805
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:49,890
first press release that went out which

806
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,950
stated that the materials were being

807
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:56,160
flown to higher headquarters well the

808
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:58,370
higher headquarters was right field and

809
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,320
even Marcel the intelligence officer

810
00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:04,260
major Jesse Marcel when he was ordered

811
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:09,620
on Tuesday afternoon July 7th to

812
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:13,050
transport some of the wreckage to right

813
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:14,460
field by his base commander Colonel

814
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:16,710
William Blanchard they made a

815
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:19,050
preliminary stop at Carswell Army

816
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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here

926
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that you probably won't hear anywhere

927
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else hear that George Noory so we

928
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:17,220
continue with the progression of this

929
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:19,770
story the book is inside the real area

930
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:23,130
51 Donnell Schmidt the co-author joins

931
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:24,900
us on the power cast with Jane and Chris

932
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:28,560
so now this is the journey of what

933
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,010
allegedly was picked up in Roswell New

934
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:34,380
Mexico taken to wright-patterson Air

935
00:41:38,589 --> 00:41:37,170
Force Base all right so you're at the

936
00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:38,599
point where they did the infamous

937
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:43,400
weather balloons story yes and not only

938
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:47,310
marcel is ordered to pose with the

939
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:50,970
substituted weather balloon now III can

940
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:53,940
say that because general Raimi's

941
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:56,910
adjective his chief of staff was the

942
00:42:04,339 --> 00:41:59,400
late Brigadier General Thomas J DuBose

943
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,349
and DuBose when we interviewed him in

944
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:07,760
the early 90s and he signed a sworn

945
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:10,920
affidavit stating that they were the

946
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ones who substituted who switched the

947
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:18,040
balloon or the real material

948
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,400
he stated quite frankly and we have him

949
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:24,610
on tape stating that the balloon part of

950
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:26,530
it was a hoax

951
00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:29,080
that they were instructed specifically

952
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:31,360
he was instructed by General Clements

953
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:33,970
McMullen at the Pentagon to get the

954
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:36,310
press off of general Rama's back in

955
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:38,770
other words they needed to shut this

956
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down as soon as possible and it did it

957
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:42,460
worked

958
00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:45,090
nonetheless as even general Ramey

959
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:49,750
canceled the continuation of the flight

960
00:42:57,210 --> 00:42:52,540
on the four-on-two right field

961
00:43:00,840 --> 00:42:57,220
the FBI Bureau office in Dallas put out

962
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,850
a telex at 6:17 Central Standard Time

963
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:03,520
that evening where it described the

964
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hexagonal radar reflector kite and a

965
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:08,160
neoprene rubber balloon that supposedly

966
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:11,710
explained Roswell but they stated that

967
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:15,520
based on their telephonic conversations

968
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:19,990
between their FBI office and right field

969
00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:23,650
that that belief was not borne out some

970
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:25,750
of the words they were refuting the

971
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:28,450
balloon explanation and they went on to

972
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:32,170
state that the materials were still

973
00:43:39,330 --> 00:43:35,890
going on to right field now the press at

974
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:39,340
that time also you know stated whether

975
00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:42,370
it was from New York or Washington that

976
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:45,940
the materials did eventually go to right

977
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:48,130
field in Dayton Ohio and then we have

978
00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:51,150
witnesses also at the base such as

979
00:43:57,570 --> 00:43:54,030
former base commander Brigadier General

980
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,580
Arthur exon who was a student at the

981
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Institute of Technology at Wright Field

982
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:04,260
in 1947 and he described how they were

983
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:08,800
told in advance to prepare the labs at

984
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:12,870
t2 that the material was coming in and

985
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:15,880
ex-im would never see the material but

986
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:18,610
he would hear the conversations from the

987
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:20,590
people that he worked with the lab

988
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technicians who described that upon the

989
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materials arrival and first examination

990
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:29,170
that they thought that it had to be a

991
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:32,020
Soviet design because no one could

992
00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:33,910
recognize that no one could identify it

993
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:36,670
but according to Exxon that he was told

994
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:39,250
later that after all of the stress and

995
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:42,130
the fracture testing all the pressure

996
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:45,160
testing all the analysis that there was

997
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:49,120
a unanimous conclusion at t2 at Wright

998
00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:52,660
Field that the materials were from space

999
00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:55,780
that they were not manufactured here now

1000
00:45:01,200 --> 00:44:58,420
I met with Colonel Robert friend just a

1001
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:01,210
few months ago out in Los Angeles and he

1002
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:03,850
was the second-last director a project

1003
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:07,180
Bluebook before Hector quintanilla the

1004
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:10,030
final director of the project and we

1005
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:13,930
were talking about Wright Field and I

1006
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:16,180
was surprised when he immediately just

1007
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:18,970
you know snapped while I was there in 47

1008
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:22,150
I was at Wright Field and yes we were

1009
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:24,190
told the materials were coming in from

1010
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:27,430
Roswell I didn't see the materials but

1011
00:45:31,710 --> 00:45:30,340
we knew they were coming in and I said

1012
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:31,720
well that's interesting you feel that

1013
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:33,460
they would have brought in materials of

1014
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,250
a weather balloon for analysis you know

1015
00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:38,680
after they had been explained away at

1016
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:41,620
Fort Worth and he laughed and he says

1017
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:43,510
well we all know it wasn't a weather

1018
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:47,410
balloon now a colonel friend believes

1019
00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:50,110
that it was an errant atomic bomb that

1020
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:53,260
it was a Broken Arrow which is

1021
00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:55,390
interesting because we really didn't

1022
00:46:00,090 --> 00:45:57,550
have any in our arsenal at that time in

1023
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:00,100
47 even Roswell which was the

1024
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:01,710
headquarters of the 500 9th Bomb Group

1025
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:04,990
the first atomic bomb wing in the world

1026
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:08,050
they didn't even have any bombs they

1027
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:11,230
were doing tests they were bomb dropped

1028
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:13,660
testing and loading they were using sand

1029
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:15,700
barrels talk to them enough of the

1030
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:17,290
crewmen who were involved with these

1031
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:21,070
exercises and that just weren't any

1032
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,130
bombs in the Arsenal at that time okay

1033
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:26,800
we understand this guy is not and never

1034
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,730
was a UFO believer right but interesting

1035
00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:33,520
that he doesn't accept the mogul balloon

1036
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:36,280
explanation he believes it was an atomic

1037
00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:41,550
bomb that it still created enough of a

1038
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:46,069
level of attention and extrude

1039
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:48,930
recovery operation the containment the

1040
00:46:53,029 --> 00:46:50,910
cover-up and to this day he believes

1041
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:53,039
that it's still due to the fact that it

1042
00:46:58,579 --> 00:46:55,319
was a Broken Arrow you can't prove it

1043
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,589
but it continues to demonstrate that and

1044
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:00,660
as both you would have to admit that

1045
00:47:04,579 --> 00:47:03,210
every time someone comes out with a new

1046
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,589
theory on Roswell

1047
00:47:09,319 --> 00:47:07,440
the press you know they just jump at it

1048
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,329
they just latch on to it it's like well

1049
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:12,180
I thought it was mogul I thought it was

1050
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:14,450
anthropomorphic wouldn't crash done and

1051
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:17,609
yet as we refer to them as the theory of

1052
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:19,890
the month it seems like every time

1053
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:22,520
whether it's Popular Mechanics or Annie

1054
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,490
Jacobson with her book on area 51 it

1055
00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:28,559
doesn't matter how ludicrous the

1056
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:31,349
explanation the press latches right on

1057
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:35,000
to it so again so much for Roswell

1058
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:38,190
always you know dropping off the radar

1059
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:41,490
it still seems to be very much at least

1060
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:44,190
the curiosity as to what actually did

1061
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,130
happen so it's your position here that

1062
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:49,680
the remnants of this UFO were taken the

1063
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:51,740
wright-patterson is that where that

1064
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,750
wreckage is today it's not my position

1065
00:47:59,900 --> 00:47:57,119
Jean it's I mean it could be documented

1066
00:48:02,180 --> 00:47:59,910
there's enough enough documentation even

1067
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:02,190
that in the press at that time that

1068
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:05,880
whatever was recovered did end up it was

1069
00:48:11,299 --> 00:48:09,240
transport transferred to right field as

1070
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,309
far as it's still being there from all

1071
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,200
indications it's it's long been gone

1072
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,720
there are still witnesses who describe

1073
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:18,480
certain hangers certain areas that were

1074
00:48:23,329 --> 00:48:21,480
off-limits suggesting that materials

1075
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,339
that certain evidence may have been

1076
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:26,700
there through the early 80s but beyond

1077
00:48:31,069 --> 00:48:28,740
that there's nothing there's no

1078
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:31,079
testimony no nothing that would suggest

1079
00:48:37,099 --> 00:48:34,680
anything over the past thirty years well

1080
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:37,109
Don let me break in here real quick go

1081
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:38,730
one of the things that I really enjoyed

1082
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:41,160
in your book is how you actually take

1083
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:44,270
the reader almost on a guided tour of

1084
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,099
some of the restricted areas a tripod

1085
00:48:52,299 --> 00:48:50,220
and and I was really taken by how you

1086
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,309
corrected some kind of pop-culture

1087
00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:55,440
misnomers most specifically our hangar

1088
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:57,990
18 why don't you give our listeners kind

1089
00:49:01,020 --> 00:48:58,330
of a

1090
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:01,030
sense of how wright-patt developed from

1091
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:03,250
that period in the 40s up until now

1092
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:05,650
you've done an amazing you and Thomas

1093
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:07,180
have done an amazing job of documenting

1094
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:11,890
a lot of the the building layouts some

1095
00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,480
of the underground the interesting

1096
00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:15,780
underground work that's been in

1097
00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:17,740
installations that have been put in

1098
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,060
there why don't you give our listeners

1099
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:21,520
kind of a sense of how wright-patt

1100
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:23,650
developed as a physical location well

1101
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:26,770
first of all the the biggest claim to

1102
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:29,140
fame certainly is its namesake the fact

1103
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:32,080
that it was named after Orville and

1104
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:35,190
Wilbur Wright you know the very you know

1105
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:39,060
inventors of motorized flight and that

1106
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:41,770
they had one of their test fields at the

1107
00:49:46,170 --> 00:49:43,750
very location now granted eventually

1108
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:46,180
they would accomplish that very first

1109
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:49,900
feat of flight at Kitty Hawk not in Ohio

1110
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:52,900
but nonetheless they established their

1111
00:49:59,220 --> 00:49:56,590
first military base of operation they

1112
00:50:01,290 --> 00:49:59,230
were contracted by the military and they

1113
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:01,300
essentially had a test site a test field

1114
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:04,480
and then it had joined with a storage

1115
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:08,860
depot which eventually during World War

1116
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:11,920
one and they were able to provide a lot

1117
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:15,280
of as far as mechanical parts hardware

1118
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:18,070
for the for the military at that time

1119
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,110
and then leading up to World War two

1120
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:22,720
where as I described earlier it

1121
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,150
eventually became two adjoining

1122
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:26,680
airfields right field and Patterson

1123
00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:31,420
field and eventually it would take on as

1124
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:35,080
far as this most important person Oh as

1125
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:38,290
being them probably the most strategic

1126
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:41,590
military airfield in our arsenal it's

1127
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:45,520
not only as far as with poor technology

1128
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:48,790
it had the aeromed biological research

1129
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:51,640
center it had a lot of cold storage

1130
00:50:55,350 --> 00:50:53,230
hangars where they were doing a lot of

1131
00:50:57,780 --> 00:50:55,360
cold engine testing they did a lot of

1132
00:51:00,960 --> 00:50:57,790
crash testing a lot of the astronauts

1133
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:00,970
Neil Armstrong for example was trained

1134
00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:05,440
at wright-patterson John step who wasn't

1135
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:08,560
known as the rocket man and we all

1136
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:10,810
remember as far as that footage of that

1137
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:11,700
rockets

1138
00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:15,390
led speeding across as far as the desert

1139
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:18,060
down in the southwest and his face all

1140
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,520
contorted from the g-forces it's all

1141
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:22,980
being you know pulled back as he's you

1142
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:25,770
know exceeding the speed of sound I'll

1143
00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:28,050
tell you what if we don't do this we're

1144
00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:30,750
going to exceed speeds of sound to Donna

1145
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:32,550
Schmidt joins Gina and Chris you're in

1146
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,200
the parrot cast are you tired of

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00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:43,200
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00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,160
the GCM radio network hi this is Ted

1150
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:52,079
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00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:54,390
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1162
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:16,920
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1163
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:19,260
again that's juicy and live.com hi this

1164
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,970
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1191
00:54:12,450 --> 00:54:01,780
cast the gold standard of paranormal

1192
00:54:14,130 --> 00:54:12,460
radio and now here's Jane Steinberg with

1193
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,140
gene and Chris in the para casts we are

1194
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,000
exceeding the speed of sound going over

1195
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:17,680
the history of wright-patterson Field

1196
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:21,280
which according to Don Schmidt and his

1197
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:22,810
investigation with Tom Carey

1198
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:26,170
houses all sorts of Secrets let's

1199
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:28,360
progress with the story about what was

1200
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:30,850
used for so we all remember the pictures

1201
00:54:35,850 --> 00:54:33,550
Donald Smith of the sled yes you see the

1202
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:35,860
person's face compressing as the result

1203
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:38,740
of experiencing g-force John Stapp

1204
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:41,950
rocket man yes afterwards they were

1205
00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:44,680
conducting a lot of crash investigation

1206
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:47,320
a lot of crash research so almost as

1207
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:49,270
though it was a continuation on what

1208
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:51,670
happened back in 47 so in other words

1209
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:54,130
they they were set up specifically they

1210
00:55:00,270 --> 00:54:56,380
had recovery teams in the event of

1211
00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:00,280
downed aircraft and weather I don't want

1212
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:01,750
to bring up Kecksburg but I'll bring up

1213
00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:04,390
Kecksburg Pennsylvania and there too

1214
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:06,040
they talk about the materials whatever

1215
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:08,140
was recovered I have always been in the

1216
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:09,910
position that it was a Soviet reentry

1217
00:55:16,110 --> 00:55:12,010
but nonetheless it still went to right

1218
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:16,120
pet so it seems that it's had this long

1219
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:20,410
drawn-out history of not only UFO

1220
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,500
investigation but also when something is

1221
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:26,640
recovered from the air even from space

1222
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:31,690
that the testing the final repository

1223
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:35,050
seems to have been wright-patterson

1224
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:38,500
so you have all of these underground

1225
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:40,360
facilities and one of the things that

1226
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:42,100
one has ever toward the basement I've

1227
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,720
been there on numerous occasions until

1228
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:45,280
the last time when they wouldn't even

1229
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,170
allow me on the base which we described

1230
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:48,900
in the book that you see all these

1231
00:55:56,910 --> 00:55:52,260
ventilation shafts you see all these

1232
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:56,920
tubes and all these ventilation units on

1233
00:56:02,790 --> 00:55:59,590
us on the ground as if they're obviously

1234
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,800
leading to some underground building and

1235
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:05,280
then there are bunkers with doorways

1236
00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:09,160
that you go down a stairway and the door

1237
00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:11,500
obviously must lead to an underground

1238
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:14,080
chamber of sorts and then there are all

1239
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:15,970
types of restricted areas that go off

1240
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:17,770
into some wooded areas and alongside

1241
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:21,580
other Hill sighs general exon to mention

1242
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:23,020
him again when he was the base commander

1243
00:56:28,050 --> 00:56:25,510
at 64 he described to us that there were

1244
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:28,060
entire areas that were even off-limits

1245
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:30,520
to him and he was the base commander and

1246
00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:32,590
then we know the famous story as far as

1247
00:56:37,740 --> 00:56:35,320
a Barry Goldwater even asking for access

1248
00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:37,750
to certain areas on the base

1249
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:39,700
specifically the Blue Room which

1250
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:42,070
supposedly contained you know physical

1251
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:45,040
evidence I don't mean oh hell no hell no

1252
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:46,180
right right

1253
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,460
getting back to again wright-patterson

1254
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:51,520
so it's demonstrated and we have so many

1255
00:56:56,310 --> 00:56:53,770
accounts in the book that talk about

1256
00:56:59,090 --> 00:56:56,320
these underground hangars these

1257
00:57:03,300 --> 00:56:59,100
underground vaults these underground

1258
00:57:05,790 --> 00:57:03,310
chambers multiple levels that suggest

1259
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:05,800
that there's an entire operation that

1260
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:07,890
continues on a day to day basis

1261
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:11,440
subsurface now I've never seen I've

1262
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:13,840
never been to any of these underground

1263
00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:17,080
levels but I have been to at Holloman

1264
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:19,830
Air Force Base in Alamogordo New Mexico

1265
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:22,420
White Sands proving ground I was one of

1266
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:25,960
the first citizens given a tour of Space

1267
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:29,650
Command and I was taken three levels

1268
00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:33,330
down and there was this huge hangar

1269
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:35,830
underground hangar with all these

1270
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:38,220
tractor trailers these mobile

1271
00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:42,040
communication vehicles that in the event

1272
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:47,020
of an EMP any type of breakdown of our

1273
00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:48,490
electronic

1274
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:51,070
for example that these were all come to

1275
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:53,740
the surface and fan out throughout the

1276
00:58:00,420 --> 00:57:56,320
country maintaining mobile

1277
00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:00,430
communications so I was told and we went

1278
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:03,880
into an elevator shaft and we went down

1279
00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:06,970
and I saw the numbers and I was told we

1280
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:10,150
went to the third level what was

1281
00:58:14,099 --> 00:58:12,250
interesting is years later I ran into

1282
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:14,109
litrenta Lieutenant Colonel who was at

1283
00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:16,420
the Pentagon who used to work at Space

1284
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:19,480
Command at Alamogordo at Holloman Field

1285
00:58:24,810 --> 00:58:22,210
and he said Don they were just trying to

1286
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,820
give you the impression you went down

1287
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:28,000
three levels you actually were still at

1288
00:58:32,430 --> 00:58:30,310
the ground level and I said well that's

1289
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,440
interesting because we had to go down a

1290
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,720
flight of steps to even get to the

1291
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:37,119
elevator shaft which he kind of lent

1292
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:39,490
laughed at well yeah it's not above the

1293
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:42,310
ground but so you're telling me we never

1294
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:46,900
went lieth ground level and he had no

1295
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:49,330
answer for me so again he was trying to

1296
00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:53,200
cover his tracks but these stories the

1297
00:58:59,550 --> 00:58:56,260
information the eyewitnesses they exist

1298
00:59:03,510 --> 00:58:59,560
they talk through the years of being

1299
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:03,520
taken down elevator shafts going to

1300
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:07,150
these undisclosed areas and seeing

1301
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:09,460
certain things that they shouldn't have

1302
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:12,700
and then being told that they are not to

1303
00:59:17,060 --> 00:59:14,410
speak it was a continuation on the

1304
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:17,070
Roswell theme they were describing and

1305
00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:19,450
reacting the same way as so many the

1306
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:21,580
witnesses at Roswell you didn't see

1307
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:23,650
anything you didn't hear anything and

1308
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:25,750
you are never to say another word about

1309
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:26,440
this

1310
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:29,140
so continuation on the same theme well

1311
00:59:34,740 --> 00:59:31,510
this is what I gather here is that any

1312
00:59:36,570 --> 00:59:34,750
installation used for top-secret work of

1313
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:36,580
any kind doesn't necessarily have to

1314
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:39,599
involve ET or some kind of otherworldly

1315
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:42,609
phenomenon or craft we're gonna have

1316
00:59:46,859 --> 00:59:45,190
security issues absolutely have security

1317
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:46,869
restrictions that's part of the way

1318
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:49,330
these things work absolutely understand

1319
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:52,150
that now the question I have though I

1320
00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:54,910
think goes back to the title how do you

1321
01:00:00,540 --> 00:59:57,640
relate this kind of installation to area

1322
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:00,550
51 why do you call it the real area 51

1323
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:02,350
is it because of the belief

1324
01:00:07,950 --> 01:00:04,090
for the expectation or the evidence

1325
01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:07,960
showing that the alien crafts were there

1326
01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:12,070
not area 51 in Nevada our original title

1327
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:14,100
was actually beneath the radar

1328
01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:17,410
suggesting a subterranean you know sub

1329
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:21,100
level as far as a containment for the

1330
01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:25,510
UFO evidence and our editor came up with

1331
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:28,660
the title of inside the real area 51 and

1332
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:30,910
mainly playing off of the notion and

1333
01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:33,190
then you you you describe it quite

1334
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:36,280
accurately gene that people have this

1335
01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:38,770
knee-jerk reaction they they here area

1336
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:41,080
51 and they immediately think oh a

1337
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:43,270
lian's on ice alien technology

1338
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:46,810
and I for one have never subscribed to

1339
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:50,050
the belief that anything extraordinary

1340
01:00:56,460 --> 01:00:53,470
is being stored at area 51 I think it's

1341
01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:56,470
just a continuation skunkworks and black

1342
01:01:02,310 --> 01:00:59,290
operations black ops whether it was the

1343
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:02,320
u-2 spy plane or the sr-71 the flying

1344
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:05,290
blackbird project Aurora if we believe

1345
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:09,120
in that flying Manta nothing to suggest

1346
01:01:16,290 --> 01:01:12,790
anything of a extraterrestrial nature

1347
01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:16,300
but again people believe that people

1348
01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:18,820
draw that connection and our editor just

1349
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:22,120
felt that well it isn't area 51 in

1350
01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:25,810
reality it was wright-patterson so let's

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01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,400
just set the record straight let's

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01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:29,440
demonstrate that as much as they'd like

1353
01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:32,470
to believe it's a groom lake at Nellis

1354
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:35,260
Air Force Base in Nevada in reality it

1355
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:37,530
was at wright-patterson in Dayton Ohio

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01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:40,450
therefore being the real area 51 the

1357
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,790
real area 51 besides it's a provocative

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01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,520
title yes yes and interestingly enough

1359
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:48,160
as we all know that the CIA would make

1360
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,490
that announcement as though talk about

1361
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:54,160
being right on top of things again just

1362
01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:55,690
a week before the release of the book

1363
01:02:02,690 --> 01:01:59,770
that it does exist after all you know

1364
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:02,700
contrary to you know 50 years of denial

1365
01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:05,170
it's really out there ladies and

1366
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:09,340
gentlemen well Donald and that's really

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01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:11,050
important I brought this up a couple of

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01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:14,230
shows ago that the very fact that it's

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01:02:18,510 --> 01:02:16,030
now been acknowledged the

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01:02:21,450 --> 01:02:18,520
that open up you know all the legal

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01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:21,460
lawsuits that were at in the end of the

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01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:24,360
90s I think by workers who were

1373
01:02:29,130 --> 01:02:27,160
destroying or burning toxic materials

1374
01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:29,140
out there and they tried to sue the

1375
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:31,060
government now yes seem to remember Bill

1376
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:33,340
Clinton saying well you can't sue the

1377
01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:35,980
government because there is no base that

1378
01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:37,660
you're claiming that you worked on

1379
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:39,820
doesn't that open up the legal issues

1380
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:42,460
now for these workers to to go ahead and

1381
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,230
go after the government I would hope so

1382
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:46,240
I would hope so and especially as far as

1383
01:02:52,050 --> 01:02:48,220
this class-action suit as you described

1384
01:02:54,210 --> 01:02:52,060
Chris that these former workers who you

1385
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:54,220
know it's no different than the Agent

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01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:55,090
Orange

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01:03:00,060 --> 01:02:57,100
you know victims as far as from the

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01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:00,070
Vietnam War that if indeed they have

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01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:02,920
been exposed to toxic elements of any

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:04,870
kind that they should have some legal

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:07,570
recourse and true you can't sue the

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01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:09,250
government you can't sue the military

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01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:11,140
for that reason I remember when I think

1394
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:13,630
was Popular Mechanics even had this

1395
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:17,430
cover story that 51 had been evacuated

1396
01:03:25,230 --> 01:03:21,070
it had been cleared out and the new area

1397
01:03:27,330 --> 01:03:25,240
51 was now in Utah we can to of Utah

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01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,340
especially Utah we have Donald Schmidt

1399
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:30,640
joining us and the new area 51 is not in

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01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:32,530
Utah by the way but the book of course

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01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:37,150
is called inside the real area 51 with

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[Music]

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:51,010
so here's what happened I was placing an

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order online the site went down it just

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01:03:58,589 --> 01:03:56,770
stopped responding it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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it will stay online at I web your site

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is hosted on one of the most reliable

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networks in the world check it out I web

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comm that's iWeb comm first game attack

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01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:21,040
of the rock codes and it was a

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01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:23,050
critically acclaimed success and now

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:25,000
there's the coming of the protectors a

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01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,130
former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:31,480
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:33,640
because evil forces on our distant

1422
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:35,680
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1423
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,050
this is gripping science fiction of the

1424
01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:40,480
classic kind attack of the rock codes

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01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,550
and the coming of the protectors find

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:45,520
out more at Rocko XCOM that's Rocko it's

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01:04:49,950 --> 01:04:47,170
our Ock oids

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dot-com have you ever felt like the

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01:04:53,010 --> 01:04:51,280
United States government knows way too

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01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:53,020
much about your financial affairs I

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01:04:56,849 --> 01:04:55,089
continue to hear stories about property

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01:04:59,099 --> 01:04:56,859
seizures frozen bank accounts

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01:05:00,839 --> 01:04:59,109
confiscation of stocks and bonds it

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01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:00,849
makes me wonder if the US citizen will

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01:05:04,579 --> 01:05:02,440
ever again have the right to life

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01:05:06,690 --> 01:05:04,589
liberty and the pursuit of happiness

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01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:06,700
unfortunately with the drug and money

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laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

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01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:11,380
60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

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01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:12,569
enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

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01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,790
executive order of 1933 some precious

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01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:17,440
metal holdings are subject to government

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01:05:21,059 --> 01:05:19,630
intervention for this reason Midas

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01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:21,069
Resources has prepared a report

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01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:22,809
exploiting the boundaries of trading

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01:05:26,579 --> 01:05:24,670
precious metals privately whether if you

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01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:26,589
have any intention of trading with Midas

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01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,270
resources or not I've instructed my

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01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:29,920
representatives to give this report all

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relief organizations can't take care of

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the victims and there's the huge

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question of how the government will feed

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all the people that it's promised to

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with gene and Chris in the para caste we

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01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:15,200
have Donald Schmitt co-author of inside

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:17,750
the real area 51 he's not talking about

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01:08:23,230 --> 01:08:21,290
Utah but wright-patterson base today

1520
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:23,240
what's the current status of what's

1521
01:08:30,490 --> 01:08:26,630
going on Dayton Ohio last time we

1522
01:08:34,690 --> 01:08:30,500
actually tried to visit the base I was

1523
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:34,700
contacted by peacock productions NBC

1524
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,060
Leicester halt the weekend anchor at NBC

1525
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:40,640
they wanted to take a film crew into the

1526
01:08:46,749 --> 01:08:44,270
base just to look around and it was kind

1527
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:46,759
of a follow up on what we had suggested

1528
01:08:53,260 --> 01:08:49,900
when the lake carl day he was an Emmy

1529
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:53,270
award-winning reporter with an NBC

1530
01:09:01,630 --> 01:08:56,420
affiliate in Dayton and he had attempted

1531
01:09:05,710 --> 01:09:01,640
to do a report in 1995 exposing this

1532
01:09:08,829 --> 01:09:05,720
rumor this myth of this underground

1533
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:08,839
facility this these multiple levels

1534
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:12,410
beneath wright-patterson and the only

1535
01:09:20,019 --> 01:09:16,310
thing that he was allowed to gain or get

1536
01:09:22,539 --> 01:09:20,029
on film was some underground passageways

1537
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:22,549
some doorways that led to some

1538
01:09:30,849 --> 01:09:26,750
underground rooms nothing more so this

1539
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:30,859
was in 2010 NBC they wanted to you know

1540
01:09:35,289 --> 01:09:32,810
do some major follow-up they wanted to

1541
01:09:36,999 --> 01:09:35,299
actually come in with a film crew Don

1542
01:09:37,809 --> 01:09:37,009
can you help us get on the base you've

1543
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:37,819
been there before

1544
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:39,830
what can you do so I immediately

1545
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:42,350
contacted public relations at the base

1546
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:45,440
thought it should just be routine and I

1547
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:47,810
was immediately referred to air force

1548
01:09:51,999 --> 01:09:49,850
entertainment in Hollywood well that was

1549
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:52,009
a first that they never did that before

1550
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:54,890
in fact the Ghost Hunters had just done

1551
01:09:59,920 --> 01:09:58,070
an episode for the sci-fi channel at

1552
01:10:02,710 --> 01:09:59,930
wright-patt just a few months earlier

1553
01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:02,720
and had no difficulty getting on the

1554
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:06,380
base but we did I was turned down six

1555
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:08,290
separate times

1556
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:10,510
before I finally went to a good personal

1557
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:12,910
friend Colonel Jeffrey Fowle who's a

1558
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:15,070
former deputy commander at wright-patt

1559
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:17,770
who still has an office there as well as

1560
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:20,470
at the Pentagon I call up and I call him

1561
01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:21,910
up and I said Jeff they're not letting

1562
01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:23,800
me on the base get yet get me on the

1563
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:26,260
base and be seed like to you know bring

1564
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:28,390
in a film crew well Don I'll see what I

1565
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:31,690
can do a few days would pass and Colonel

1566
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:35,050
thaw would call up and he said Don I

1567
01:10:40,020 --> 01:10:38,110
have a new quote for you and I was fully

1568
01:10:42,420 --> 01:10:40,030
expecting that if anybody should you

1569
01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:42,430
know get us you know permission it would

1570
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:44,140
be a former deputy commander of the base

1571
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:46,510
and he described how he met personally

1572
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:49,630
with the base commander who made the

1573
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:53,050
remark to him Jeff I don't care if you

1574
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,250
have four stars

1575
01:11:01,380 --> 01:10:57,360
Don Schmidt is not kidding on this base

1576
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:01,390
well okay I had a hard time explaining

1577
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,170
that to NBC not only know he'll know but

1578
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:07,600
he'll know right but I'll throw a little

1579
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:09,940
monkey wrench into the works and I don't

1580
01:11:12,990 --> 01:11:11,650
know if you've ever had paul davids on

1581
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:13,000
the program who was the executive

1582
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:15,670
producer of the roswell movie yes we did

1583
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:20,080
yes and Paul could verify this and this

1584
01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:23,910
was months ago this was before Paul even

1585
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:27,790
knew was aware that we had just

1586
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,120
submitted for publication a book on

1587
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:33,760
wright-patterson it calls up one day and

1588
01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:35,200
he goes Don you have to keep this under

1589
01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:37,420
your hat but I just had a call from

1590
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:38,740
public relations

1591
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:41,710
you know if I'm right Pat and they want

1592
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:45,250
to fly me in and all expense-paid but to

1593
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:48,250
bring in one of the props from the

1594
01:11:55,980 --> 01:11:51,850
Roswell movie now Paul has in his

1595
01:11:58,350 --> 01:11:55,990
collection the animatronic alien that we

1596
01:12:01,380 --> 01:11:58,360
used the surviving alien that we use in

1597
01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:01,390
the Roswell movie he showed it to me in

1598
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:03,580
the parking lot of a grocery store he

1599
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:14,710
opened up his trunk and show kind of a

1600
01:12:19,209 --> 01:12:16,870
weird aside paul davids was my landlord

1601
01:12:21,729 --> 01:12:19,219
when I first moved to Sedona I ran

1602
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:21,739
is his house there he has a house there

1603
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,800
as well as up in Big Bear California and

1604
01:12:29,259 --> 01:12:26,719
he has one in Santa Fe now two as well

1605
01:12:34,089 --> 01:12:29,269
so so you were he was your landlord in

1606
01:12:35,739 --> 01:12:34,099
Sedona well he tried for about a month

1607
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,749
and a half to get me to rent the place

1608
01:12:39,819 --> 01:12:38,239
and I refused to move to Sedona I wanted

1609
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:39,829
to be outside of there but he finally

1610
01:12:43,989 --> 01:12:41,510
made me an offer I couldn't refuse and

1611
01:12:45,609 --> 01:12:43,999
when we had that first first kind of

1612
01:12:47,109 --> 01:12:45,619
lunch meeting and he showed me the house

1613
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,119
he says Oh check out what I got on my

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:49,760
trunk and he and there it was and I was

1615
01:12:53,919 --> 01:12:52,610
like oh my god now understand here I'm

1616
01:12:56,469 --> 01:12:53,929
trying to figure this out

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01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:56,479
well can I finish sure finish the story

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01:13:00,609 --> 01:12:58,249
they're gonna ask the logical question

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01:13:02,890 --> 01:13:00,619
in fact let me ask it now before you

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01:13:04,660 --> 01:13:02,900
finish the story okay fine this paul

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01:13:07,029 --> 01:13:04,670
davids always keep this thing in his

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01:13:08,589 --> 01:13:07,039
trunk no no no no no no no I'm getting

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:08,599
that impression from both of you

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01:13:14,589 --> 01:13:11,210
no though he saw this this invitation

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01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:14,599
from wright-patt as an as an opportunity

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:16,280
that he was gonna take a cross-country

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01:13:23,759 --> 01:13:20,210
jaunt with the prop with the body that

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01:13:27,009 --> 01:13:23,769
he was going to kind of do a film of

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01:13:29,709 --> 01:13:27,019
Roswell on the road make the drive all

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01:13:33,339 --> 01:13:29,719
the way from Los Angeles to Dayton Ohio

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01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:33,349
and when he's describing this to me and

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01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:35,570
and saying that they wanted to schedule

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01:13:41,469 --> 01:13:39,289
this for the fall at the same time that

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01:13:44,290 --> 01:13:41,479
I would then inform him what our book is

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01:13:46,569 --> 01:13:44,300
coming out in the fall and we started

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01:13:48,129 --> 01:13:46,579
kind of put two and two together what

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01:13:50,649 --> 01:13:48,139
were they looking at this as being a

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01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,659
photo op that they would trot out you

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01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:52,880
know this prop and say well here's the

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:55,670
pickled alien we've had since 47 look it

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01:13:59,109 --> 01:13:58,010
we have no problem displaying it you

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01:14:01,989 --> 01:13:59,119
know and anybody want to take some

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01:14:05,169 --> 01:14:01,999
pictures make light of it well anyway I

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01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:05,179
suggested to Paul okay let's do it but

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01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:07,519
under the condition that we get to show

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01:14:13,649 --> 01:14:10,489
the movie at the base and Paul would

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01:14:16,930 --> 01:14:13,659
have a response sometime thereafter

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01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:16,940
canceling the entire invitation that and

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01:14:23,589 --> 01:14:20,510
as one of the officers at the base said

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01:14:27,299 --> 01:14:23,599
that they had no intention of showing

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:27,309
the movie because it would present

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01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:30,530
information that was contrary to the Air

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01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:32,460
Force's official

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:35,700
explanation on the topic so I just find

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01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:38,930
it rather amusing that here the CIA

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:41,760
releases you know or acknowledges area

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01:14:47,959 --> 01:14:44,730
51 and right pat was planning on

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01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:47,969
bringing out one of the bodies almost

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01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:50,730
you don't at the same time as the

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:54,360
release of our book so coincidence yes

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01:15:00,170 --> 01:14:57,810
I'm sure it was but nonetheless I only

1662
01:15:03,260 --> 01:15:00,180
regret that Paul didn't get to make his

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01:15:05,420 --> 01:15:03,270
a cross-country jaunt and can you just

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01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:05,430
imagine get pulled over by a you know a

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:07,710
police officer and let me take a look in

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01:15:11,690 --> 01:15:09,050
your trunk

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01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,700
yeah but they need probable cause don't

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01:15:16,459 --> 01:15:14,640
they yes somebody's trunk unless you

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01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:16,469
have some reason to think he's got a

1670
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:18,840
dead alien there if I were poor I give

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:20,760
them just put them to get the look on

1672
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:22,770
their faces make sure you roll in tape

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01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:25,260
on the rolling tape absolutely the I

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01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,510
thing is he may be rolling in the truck

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01:15:31,459 --> 01:15:30,239
to the police station that's right of

1676
01:15:33,290 --> 01:15:31,469
course that would make a good story

1677
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:33,300
yeah well yeah and he would capitalize

1678
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:37,260
on it I have no doubt ah okay so alright

1679
01:15:43,729 --> 01:15:40,920
if they actually have the captured UFO

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01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:43,739
sitting there since 1947 and it could

1681
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:45,630
have been moved whatever and they have

1682
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:47,610
the captured bodies is there any

1683
01:15:51,650 --> 01:15:49,590
evidence that we've learned anything

1684
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:51,660
from it I'm almost thinking of the line

1685
01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:55,380
that was made in the film Independence

1686
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,230
Day from what 1996 and there's gonna be

1687
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:00,320
a sequel by the way if anyone can yes

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01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:03,930
area 51 you know the one in groom Lake

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:07,590
yes and someone asked them you've had

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01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:10,050
this thing since the 1950s they say in

1691
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,110
the film they say 57 instead of 47 right

1692
01:16:17,780 --> 01:16:15,360
right okay so you know fact checkers

1693
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:17,790
don't work well with films okay so what

1694
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:20,820
they say is you've had there since the

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:23,460
50s and you don't know anything about it

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01:16:28,670 --> 01:16:25,370
well we'll have an answer in a moment

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what do we know about this stuff inside

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the real area 51

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Donald Schmidt joins Jean and Chris

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast on the

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parent case with Jeanne and Chris again

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01:21:06,729 --> 01:21:05,119
I'm doing the movie thing where I quote

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01:21:08,799 --> 01:21:06,739
a line from a movie because it's so much

1806
01:21:09,579 --> 01:21:08,809
reflects pop culture we're talking to

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01:21:11,589 --> 01:21:09,589
Donald Schmitt

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01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:11,599
so the question they asked there in the

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01:21:17,619 --> 01:21:14,239
movie was of the character played by the

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01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,629
fellow who of course played data on Star

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01:21:23,139 --> 01:21:19,760
Trek next generation that actor

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01:21:25,599 --> 01:21:23,149
okay so just long hair yeah

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01:21:27,729 --> 01:21:25,609
with long hair and everything and they

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01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:27,739
say you've had to hear all these years

1815
01:21:30,879 --> 01:21:29,329
you haven't learned anything about it

1816
01:21:32,979 --> 01:21:30,889
have you Chris he said we've learned

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01:21:35,639 --> 01:21:32,989
tons of things but that's the question

1818
01:21:39,879 --> 01:21:35,649
I'll ask you in the real world we have

1819
01:21:42,129 --> 01:21:39,889
the wreckage of a spaceship from 1947

1820
01:21:45,429 --> 01:21:42,139
what if we learn from it is there any

1821
01:21:47,649 --> 01:21:45,439
evidence of that I am still of the

1822
01:21:51,519 --> 01:21:47,659
personal position that it remains a

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01:21:54,579 --> 01:21:51,529
cover-up of ignorance that after now 66

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01:21:57,519 --> 01:21:54,589
years that they still really have no

1825
01:22:00,639 --> 01:21:57,529
answers that the technology may be such

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01:22:01,509 --> 01:22:00,649
a quantum leap that we can't bridge that

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01:22:03,729 --> 01:22:01,519
gap

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01:22:07,209 --> 01:22:03,739
the screenwriter Tracy Torme I think he

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01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,219
provides you know a great analogy if you

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01:22:11,559 --> 01:22:08,719
could take something as simple as a

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01:22:13,869 --> 01:22:11,569
toaster a poster oven and if you could

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01:22:17,589 --> 01:22:13,879
teleport it back in time say you'd sent

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01:22:19,689 --> 01:22:17,599
it back to the Middle Ages and he might

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01:22:22,809 --> 01:22:19,699
be able to disassemble and even

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01:22:24,819 --> 01:22:22,819
reassemble it but if you can't plug it

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01:22:28,599 --> 01:22:24,829
in you can never get it to work

1837
01:22:30,669 --> 01:22:28,609
I am I still maintain that after all

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01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:30,679
these years they still can't find the on

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01:22:36,899 --> 01:22:34,010
button okay thank you I always say just

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01:22:40,059 --> 01:22:36,909
take an iPhone and go back 100 years

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01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:40,069
it'd be a very similar impact but let's

1842
01:22:45,339 --> 01:22:42,169
look at that there all right what about

1843
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:45,349
the claim of the late philip corso that

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01:22:50,619 --> 01:22:47,689
they did reverse-engineer some of the

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rough edges of the technology the easy

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to access stuff you don't go along with

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that we're often criticized for not

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01:23:01,869 --> 01:22:59,029
mentioning kernel core so in our

1849
01:23:04,779 --> 01:23:01,879
witnessed arousal book or even the new

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book with on right Pat and I admit

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01:23:09,420 --> 01:23:05,330
kernel

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on two occasions and what truly

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01:23:14,410 --> 01:23:11,420
disillusioned me no granny he was

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01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:14,420
correct because the military as we know

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doesn't manufacture anything they

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contract out everything into the private

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01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:21,820
sector every tank every plane every ship

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01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:24,530
is all manufactured by private

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corporations around the country and so

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we knew that we had witnesses at patel

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01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:35,030
institute at rand corporation at the

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bureau of standards of General Electric

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:40,240
at Hughes Aircraft are talking about

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01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:43,250
receiving you know portions of wreckage

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01:23:47,860 --> 01:23:46,190
for analysis through the years so I

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01:23:51,220 --> 01:23:47,870
didn't have a problem with that but the

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01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,230
problem I have at Corso is that when it

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came to his chapter describing the

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Rozell incident it was a hundred percent

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based on a witness that we had to spread

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it and that was the witness Frank

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Kaufmann his story matched Kaufman's

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01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:07,400
exactly and then we learned that Corso

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01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:10,250
had been to Roswell on prior occasions

1875
01:24:18,250 --> 01:24:14,330
and he stayed at Kaufman's residence he

1876
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,260
obviously was putting together his story

1877
01:24:24,340 --> 01:24:20,960
compiling information for for his book

1878
01:24:26,740 --> 01:24:24,350
from less than reliable sources and so

1879
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:26,750
making it as if he was the participant

1880
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:30,320
yes and then taking on that persona that

1881
01:24:36,010 --> 01:24:32,830
he himself inserted himself as a

1882
01:24:37,630 --> 01:24:36,020
participant correct okay so basically he

1883
01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:37,640
made up a lot of this stuff is what

1884
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:38,150
you're saying

1885
01:24:43,690 --> 01:24:42,410
or that he relied on as I described less

1886
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:43,700
than reliable sources

1887
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:46,130
the point being once he puts himself in

1888
01:24:50,770 --> 01:24:47,840
the story he makes himself the star of

1889
01:24:52,990 --> 01:24:50,780
the story yes you are worried about one

1890
01:24:56,110 --> 01:24:53,000
thing here we have this guy with a very

1891
01:24:59,890 --> 01:24:56,120
distinguished military record okay

1892
01:25:01,840 --> 01:24:59,900
that's correct why would he do this

1893
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:01,850
towards the end of his life why would he

1894
01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:04,850
produce a story that may in large part

1895
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:07,340
be fictional and I would also question

1896
01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:10,880
again the timing why was the book slated

1897
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:14,060
just prior to the 50th anniversary in

1898
01:25:21,810 --> 01:25:18,880
July of 1997 and unlike our

1899
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:21,820
book you will crash at Rozell in 1991

1900
01:25:28,649 --> 01:25:24,010
and even the follow-up the truth about

1901
01:25:30,510 --> 01:25:28,659
in 1994 we received a ton of media

1902
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:30,520
attention and if you were to look back

1903
01:25:35,790 --> 01:25:33,010
at 97 aside from the 50th anniversary

1904
01:25:40,050 --> 01:25:35,800
course so pretty much got buried in the

1905
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:40,060
rush the only network program that I've

1906
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:43,900
ever witnessed that did a report on here

1907
01:25:48,689 --> 01:25:46,329
was the first 10 officer firsthand

1908
01:25:51,689 --> 01:25:48,699
you know witness to Roswell who came out

1909
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:51,699
with this first-hand account of you know

1910
01:25:57,839 --> 01:25:54,489
handling materials seeing bodies and

1911
01:26:00,270 --> 01:25:57,849
being privy being involved with the

1912
01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:00,280
actual reverse engineering efforts of

1913
01:26:06,419 --> 01:26:02,500
the material and the only program that

1914
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:06,429
touched him was NBC Dateline which did a

1915
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:10,540
hatchet job on him so I started to you

1916
01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:13,300
know question if it was all intended to

1917
01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:16,150
again serve as the version as a

1918
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:18,940
smokescreen for the real story for the

1919
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:19,690
real case

1920
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:23,199
so basically Corso you say or suggest he

1921
01:26:29,310 --> 01:26:25,710
was serving his country provide

1922
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:29,320
disinformation possibly and as an

1923
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:32,409
unwilling participant on as an unknowing

1924
01:26:38,990 --> 01:26:35,920
participant that's so often the case and

1925
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:39,000
especially with elderly officers where

1926
01:26:44,069 --> 01:26:41,920
they're they're called back into you

1927
01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:44,079
know service back into duty and they

1928
01:26:50,129 --> 01:26:47,409
don't even realize that they're serving

1929
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:50,139
someone else's agenda I can't prove that

1930
01:26:55,709 --> 01:26:53,590
I don't know that for a fact I just you

1931
01:27:00,089 --> 01:26:55,719
know I just questioned why he had to

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01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:00,099
rely on disingenuous information if

1933
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:03,250
indeed he was a first-hand participants

1934
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:06,940
and why he was almost like kryptonite

1935
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:09,310
when it came to the media back at that

1936
01:27:13,410 --> 01:27:11,800
time what do you think about Bill burns

1937
01:27:16,379 --> 01:27:13,420
participation as co-author

1938
01:27:20,129 --> 01:27:16,389
did he just take the notes and embellish

1939
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:20,139
them or what well we know that there was

1940
01:27:27,330 --> 01:27:24,489
a dispute between the Corso family not

1941
01:27:31,500 --> 01:27:27,340
only involving Colonel corsola himself

1942
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:31,510
but also his son of Phil jr. regarding a

1943
01:27:35,459 --> 01:27:32,050
bill

1944
01:27:39,020 --> 01:27:35,469
burns and that much of the information

1945
01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:39,030
had been inflated had been you know

1946
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:42,820
exaggerated I too if I had to rely on

1947
01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:47,260
any single Roswell witness and flesh out

1948
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:50,440
an entire book I couldn't do it and it

1949
01:27:57,899 --> 01:27:53,230
wasn't a short book it was a long book

1950
01:28:01,919 --> 01:27:57,909
it was or 400 pages correct so there to

1951
01:28:06,089 --> 01:28:01,929
I feel that burns took great liberties

1952
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:06,099
and stretching out the story as much as

1953
01:28:11,959 --> 01:28:09,250
possible and I think I'm mainly trying

1954
01:28:14,339 --> 01:28:11,969
to play up on the the 50th anniversary

1955
01:28:19,799 --> 01:28:14,349
well the thing is of course to that

1956
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:19,809
perhaps he as a true crime writer would

1957
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,630
be ideally situated towards taking this

1958
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:25,360
and making it read almost like a fiction

1959
01:28:29,790 --> 01:28:27,730
story like a novel yes sure it read very

1960
01:28:32,669 --> 01:28:29,800
much like a novel had this kind of novel

1961
01:28:35,580 --> 01:28:32,679
approach in terms of the writing and I

1962
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:35,590
also thought here it almost reminded me

1963
01:28:40,859 --> 01:28:38,409
in a way of the way major Donald Kehoe

1964
01:28:42,930 --> 01:28:40,869
would structure his books that even

1965
01:28:45,839 --> 01:28:42,940
though he had supposedly factual books

1966
01:28:49,379 --> 01:28:45,849
they read like novels in which he was

1967
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:49,389
the protagonist yes and the interactions

1968
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:51,400
and everything you make an excellent

1969
01:28:56,189 --> 01:28:53,920
point you know I never heard that you

1970
01:28:59,850 --> 01:28:56,199
know that could comparison drawn before

1971
01:29:02,819 --> 01:28:59,860
and you know that I think of it you know

1972
01:29:04,379 --> 01:29:02,829
I've made the suggestion I speculated

1973
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:04,389
regarding even keyhole and if you

1974
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:07,840
remember even nycap his organization

1975
01:29:12,899 --> 01:29:10,270
which he had founded I know about it

1976
01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:12,909
I had encounters with major Keyhoe I

1977
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:15,790
interviewed him once or twice so I knew

1978
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:18,489
him slightly and he seemed like a nice

1979
01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:18,940
guy

1980
01:29:32,879 --> 01:29:27,340
sincere totally but yet he poo-pooed he

1981
01:29:34,919 --> 01:29:32,889
discounted the occupant report sightings

1982
01:29:37,290 --> 01:29:34,929
you know there was an article there was

1983
01:29:38,910 --> 01:29:37,300
an article in one of the UFO

1984
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:38,920
publications it may have been the late

1985
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:41,920
Jim Mosley's original saucer news mm-hmm

1986
01:29:45,879 --> 01:29:44,530
where the suggestion was made how close

1987
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:45,889
will major Keyhoe

1988
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:49,489
let a UFO get and I gather he was with

1989
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:51,710
great difficulty that he covered the

1990
01:29:57,790 --> 01:29:53,840
story of Betty and Barney Hill

1991
01:30:00,340 --> 01:29:57,800
now what Kehoe would say is look whether

1992
01:30:04,050 --> 01:30:00,350
or not we accept this if we have cases

1993
01:30:06,700 --> 01:30:04,060
that seem too outlandish we're going to

1994
01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:06,710
not be able to get the interest of

1995
01:30:12,580 --> 01:30:10,369
scientists and legislators he was trying

1996
01:30:14,830 --> 01:30:12,590
to be politically correct maybe just a

1997
01:30:16,419 --> 01:30:14,840
little correct so that was the logic

1998
01:30:18,399 --> 01:30:16,429
behind it let's go more into that

1999
01:30:20,459 --> 01:30:18,409
because that's fascinating Donald Smith

2000
01:30:23,859 --> 01:30:20,469
is the co-author with Thomas Carey of

2001
01:30:26,530 --> 01:30:23,869
inside the real area51 the secret

2002
01:30:28,419 --> 01:30:26,540
history of wright-patterson so much more

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01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:28,429
to come with Jean and with Chris you're

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01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:56,039
this is the wrong tire co-author of UFO

2108
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:58,110
on Cyclopes other books when you're

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01:35:09,810 --> 01:35:00,000
listening to the podcast

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[Music]

2111
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,850
major Donald Kehoe was director of Nike

2112
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:15,920
at national investigations Committee on

2113
01:35:21,820 --> 01:35:18,800
aerial phenomena he wrote a number of

2114
01:35:24,370 --> 01:35:21,830
UFO books starting with the flying

2115
01:35:26,770 --> 01:35:24,380
saucers are real than black saucers from

2116
01:35:28,570 --> 01:35:26,780
outer space which is the first UFO book

2117
01:35:30,940 --> 01:35:28,580
I read in my life at age 11

2118
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:30,950
the flying saucer conspiracy flying

2119
01:35:35,590 --> 01:35:32,810
saucers top-secret that's the first four

2120
01:35:37,210 --> 01:35:35,600
those are the best four okay and as I

2121
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:37,220
was saying in the previous segment as we

2122
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:39,500
talk with Donald Smith he wrote these

2123
01:35:46,630 --> 01:35:43,210
books like I would say a straight-ahead

2124
01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:46,640
mystery novel you know you had major

2125
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:49,340
Keyhoe as the star of the book you would

2126
01:35:55,420 --> 01:35:52,850
have these various suspenseful episodes

2127
01:35:55,890 --> 01:35:55,430
involving UFOs UFO disclosure and all

2128
01:36:00,400 --> 01:35:55,900
that

2129
01:36:01,930 --> 01:36:00,410
lots of recreated conversations because

2130
01:36:04,420 --> 01:36:01,940
remember all these mystery novels like

2131
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:04,430
Mickey Spillane and all that it was

2132
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:07,610
always 90% dialogue yes yes and Kehoe

2133
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,890
kept up with that tradition that is

2134
01:36:15,700 --> 01:36:11,810
correct absolutely correct and they they

2135
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:15,710
read wonderfully I mean they hooked so

2136
01:36:22,570 --> 01:36:19,550
many people as far as into as far as the

2137
01:36:24,700 --> 01:36:22,580
subject of UFOs because they read like

2138
01:36:27,670 --> 01:36:24,710
you were reading a movie script you know

2139
01:36:31,300 --> 01:36:27,680
the funny thing is flying saucers from

2140
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:31,310
outer space was actually optioned for a

2141
01:36:35,770 --> 01:36:34,130
movie yes it turned out to be earth vs.

2142
01:36:38,440 --> 01:36:35,780
the flying saucers that's one with the

2143
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:38,450
great Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion

2144
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:41,090
effects it was just basically a b-movie

2145
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:43,370
science fiction movie and Kehoe

2146
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:45,590
supposedly in one of his books told

2147
01:36:50,110 --> 01:36:48,320
everyone how embarrassed he was that

2148
01:36:53,050 --> 01:36:50,120
they took his factual information and

2149
01:36:55,570 --> 01:36:53,060
turned it into a simple grade B sci-fi

2150
01:36:57,820 --> 01:36:55,580
film but it's the type of you know

2151
01:37:00,370 --> 01:36:57,830
reports the type of incidents because

2152
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:00,380
and as you both know I mean he was

2153
01:37:07,330 --> 01:37:03,560
mostly writing about military cases and

2154
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:07,340
my theory is that one of the reasons

2155
01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:09,410
that keyhole didn't get into or

2156
01:37:16,299 --> 01:37:13,670
subscribe to the more sensational the

2157
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,309
landings the occupant cases

2158
01:37:19,569 --> 01:37:17,840
throughout the mid-50s and thereafter

2159
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:19,579
then especially when you mentioned like

2160
01:37:27,250 --> 01:37:24,320
the hill case in 1961 that the Pentagon

2161
01:37:30,669 --> 01:37:27,260
was feeding him just a trickle of

2162
01:37:32,529 --> 01:37:30,679
information some good cases but not the

2163
01:37:35,890 --> 01:37:32,539
real hard core not that we truly

2164
01:37:39,450 --> 01:37:35,900
profound cases but it kept him at bay it

2165
01:37:41,950 --> 01:37:39,460
kept him on a short leash as a result

2166
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:41,960
they were throwing him a bone or Jim

2167
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:44,170
maybe three but that's by no theory and

2168
01:37:49,839 --> 01:37:47,210
I'd like to look into that personally if

2169
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:49,849
I should ever have the time I'll give

2170
01:37:53,319 --> 01:37:51,440
you another story here okay this is true

2171
01:37:54,939 --> 01:37:53,329
story told me about Jim Mosely

2172
01:37:57,729 --> 01:37:54,949
we all know the Jim Mosely in the early

2173
01:38:00,370 --> 01:37:57,739
1950s took a drive around the country

2174
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,380
yes yes do research for a book about

2175
01:38:04,589 --> 01:38:02,960
flying saucers so he went to the

2176
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:04,599
headquarters of Project Blue Book and

2177
01:38:10,299 --> 01:38:07,250
supposedly they let him look at the

2178
01:38:12,069 --> 01:38:10,309
actual documents of the cases maybe they

2179
01:38:13,629 --> 01:38:12,079
had information redacted and they said

2180
01:38:14,979 --> 01:38:13,639
look you could write down what you want

2181
01:38:18,430 --> 01:38:14,989
but you can't take them with you

2182
01:38:20,260 --> 01:38:18,440
however with Kehoe he was conveyed this

2183
01:38:21,729 --> 01:38:20,270
information verbally somebody has said

2184
01:38:26,620 --> 01:38:21,739
it to him on the phone he took notes

2185
01:38:28,450 --> 01:38:26,630
okay when Kehoe learned what Mosely did

2186
01:38:30,549 --> 01:38:28,460
this is Jim's version I believe Jim

2187
01:38:32,830 --> 01:38:30,559
because I never heard Jim actually lie

2188
01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:32,840
to me you know in all the years I knew

2189
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:35,300
him he tell me something I could accept

2190
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,369
as a truth Jim and I always got along

2191
01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:40,239
very well okay we all miss him when

2192
01:38:47,169 --> 01:38:43,030
Kehoe learned of this he went ballistic

2193
01:38:49,959 --> 01:38:47,179
he complained and actually hurt the

2194
01:38:51,790 --> 01:38:49,969
access by the media to Project Blue Book

2195
01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:51,800
information because he opened his big

2196
01:39:00,939 --> 01:38:57,409
mouth though it's somewhat reminiscent

2197
01:39:04,450 --> 01:39:00,949
of what Hynek jail and Hynek also

2198
01:39:07,629 --> 01:39:04,460
complained about as the scientific

2199
01:39:09,459 --> 01:39:07,639
consultant to Blue Book and as he would

2200
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:09,469
be on the road and he would only make a

2201
01:39:14,049 --> 01:39:11,449
monthly trek down the Dayton from

2202
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:14,059
Evanston Illinois I mean he was

2203
01:39:18,490 --> 01:39:16,880
initially teaching at Ohio State he just

2204
01:39:20,770 --> 01:39:18,500
happened to be at the right place at the

2205
01:39:23,379 --> 01:39:20,780
right time in Columbus Ohio just down

2206
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:23,389
the road from wright-patterson and he

2207
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:25,340
thought he was the nearby astronomer he

2208
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:27,170
was a nearby astronomer and they felt

2209
01:39:30,069 --> 01:39:29,360
that they needed an astronomer to always

2210
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:30,079
present an

2211
01:39:35,529 --> 01:39:32,719
astronomical explanation as far as these

2212
01:39:37,719 --> 01:39:35,539
aerial reports so he was their principal

2213
01:39:41,339 --> 01:39:37,729
their skeptic their chief debunker you

2214
01:39:44,859 --> 01:39:41,349
know early on and then even after from

2215
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:44,869
Northwestern but as he would be away

2216
01:39:51,489 --> 01:39:48,649
from his association with Blue Book he

2217
01:39:53,859 --> 01:39:51,499
would be on the road and lecturing and

2218
01:39:56,259 --> 01:39:53,869
doing interviews with the media and he

2219
01:39:59,469 --> 01:39:56,269
would be talking to military pilots

2220
01:40:02,109 --> 01:39:59,479
commercial pilots sack pigeon air

2221
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:02,119
command officers and he'd hear of these

2222
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,249
good cases he'd hear of you know as he

2223
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:07,280
would describe them you know truly cases

2224
01:40:12,879 --> 01:40:10,639
that describe aircraft aerial objects

2225
01:40:14,979 --> 01:40:12,889
that defied conventional explanation and

2226
01:40:18,369 --> 01:40:14,989
then he would go down to Blue Book and

2227
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,379
he'd look for those cases and he keep

2228
01:40:22,419 --> 01:40:20,239
your finger through all the recent

2229
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:22,429
reports and as he would describe to us

2230
01:40:27,279 --> 01:40:25,489
none of those cases were ever there so

2231
01:40:29,729 --> 01:40:27,289
he started to realize that as he put it

2232
01:40:32,979 --> 01:40:29,739
all the hardcore cases were going

2233
01:40:36,459 --> 01:40:32,989
upstairs they were going out swear and

2234
01:40:38,109 --> 01:40:36,469
so or Mosley could describe that he was

2235
01:40:41,500 --> 01:40:38,119
able to go through you know the

2236
01:40:45,129 --> 01:40:41,510
available files and then keyhole to

2237
01:40:47,799 --> 01:40:45,139
complain well yeah I was full of these

2238
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:47,809
reports these cases but I wasn't allowed

2239
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:50,719
to go through the case files but Hynek

2240
01:40:55,689 --> 01:40:53,570
describing well I didn't ever find the

2241
01:40:58,060 --> 01:40:55,699
cases I was looking for that I was

2242
01:41:01,389 --> 01:40:58,070
personally told about there's a shell

2243
01:41:03,579 --> 01:41:01,399
game going on here and Kehoe's upset and

2244
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:03,589
hynek's upset and Mosley thinks that

2245
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:06,530
he's had access and the bottom line is

2246
01:41:12,369 --> 01:41:08,449
when the Bluebook files were

2247
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:12,379
Declassified in 75 it talks about a lot

2248
01:41:16,750 --> 01:41:14,449
of cases that aren't there it talks

2249
01:41:18,879 --> 01:41:16,760
about a lot of gun camera footage that

2250
01:41:21,849 --> 01:41:18,889
aren't there it talks about a lot of

2251
01:41:25,779 --> 01:41:21,859
photographs that aren't there so I guess

2252
01:41:29,229 --> 01:41:25,789
the bottom line is when the system when

2253
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:29,239
Blue Book was be classified beyond the

2254
01:41:34,389 --> 01:41:31,129
redactions reappear on you know the

2255
01:41:37,389 --> 01:41:34,399
sanitized version a lot of the case

2256
01:41:39,219 --> 01:41:37,399
reports are not there they are missing

2257
01:41:41,979 --> 01:41:39,229
let's go back to keynote because I think

2258
01:41:43,610 --> 01:41:41,989
we were starting to indicate something

2259
01:41:46,190 --> 01:41:43,620
and maybe you didn't go too far

2260
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:46,200
I gather you have suspicions of Kehoe

2261
01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:49,890
and suspicions of my cap yes yes as to

2262
01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:52,380
whether it would eventually be

2263
01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:56,460
infiltrated the late dr. Peter rank who

2264
01:42:02,450 --> 01:41:59,100
was a naval flight surgeon out of DC and

2265
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:02,460
he worked with Kehoe he was there you

2266
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:05,370
know in the early 60s and they had

2267
01:42:10,910 --> 01:42:08,430
concerns even at that time already that

2268
01:42:15,220 --> 01:42:10,920
they were setting themselves up for a

2269
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:15,230
big fall that they were getting too

2270
01:42:20,930 --> 01:42:19,290
hostile towards the Air Force and as a

2271
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:20,940
result the Air Force was going to push

2272
01:42:26,780 --> 01:42:23,640
back and push back in a hard way it

2273
01:42:29,050 --> 01:42:26,790
appears as though whether they created

2274
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:29,060
the environment that it became

2275
01:42:36,170 --> 01:42:32,040
self-destructive or they had some help

2276
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:36,180
as we all know you know nightcap was it

2277
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:39,360
long towards you know continuing their

2278
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:42,170
UFO their civilian UFO investigations

2279
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:45,210
always in trouble with money keeping a

2280
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:47,730
magazine on schedule yes I was always

2281
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:50,070
pleading for money but according to

2282
01:42:54,650 --> 01:42:52,260
Jerome Clarke who's been on our show a

2283
01:42:57,860 --> 01:42:54,660
number of occasions Kehoe was a very

2284
01:43:00,890 --> 01:42:57,870
poor manager he wasn't a business person

2285
01:43:03,710 --> 01:43:00,900
he was a journalist he may be decent at

2286
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:03,720
doing investigative reporting but he

2287
01:43:07,940 --> 01:43:05,190
wasn't so good at running an

2288
01:43:09,620 --> 01:43:07,950
organization but of course in a number

2289
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:09,630
of the years Richard Hall was the guy

2290
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:11,250
who was doing all the day-to-day work

2291
01:43:14,630 --> 01:43:13,080
Keough would come in maybe a couple of

2292
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:14,640
times a week to just see what's going on

2293
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:17,190
that is correct and you are correct that

2294
01:43:21,620 --> 01:43:19,890
Kehoe was very much like Hynek with

2295
01:43:24,230 --> 01:43:21,630
Koufos with the Center for UFO studies

2296
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:24,240
he wasn't an office person he liked to

2297
01:43:27,260 --> 01:43:25,650
be out in the field he liked to

2298
01:43:29,860 --> 01:43:27,270
essentially go out and collect

2299
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:29,870
information collect stories as

2300
01:43:34,810 --> 01:43:32,760
especially Kehoe's case they weren't

2301
01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:34,820
really investigating they were just

2302
01:43:41,390 --> 01:43:38,760
accumulating data and as a result if the

2303
01:43:43,550 --> 01:43:41,400
office needed just to even you know go

2304
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,560
out and buy stamps for a mailing or

2305
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:46,080
print up a new newsletter well you know

2306
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:47,730
take care of it don't bother me with

2307
01:43:53,310 --> 01:43:49,380
that you know I had the next case to

2308
01:43:56,399 --> 01:43:53,320
look into okay so do we think then that

2309
01:43:59,819 --> 01:43:56,409
Chiho with an organization heavily laden

2310
01:44:01,979 --> 01:43:59,829
with ex-military including a former

2311
01:44:04,379 --> 01:44:01,989
director of the CIA as a matter of fact

2312
01:44:04,919 --> 01:44:04,389
whether Roscoe Hillen called her yes

2313
01:44:07,770 --> 01:44:04,929
sure

2314
01:44:11,129 --> 01:44:07,780
whether he was manipulated by the

2315
01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:11,139
military and thrown a few bones to keep

2316
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:13,960
away from the really hard stuff really

2317
01:44:18,060 --> 01:44:15,610
difficult stuff the really sensational

2318
01:44:20,490 --> 01:44:18,070
stuff that would really prove something

2319
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:20,500
that is my theory that's something that

2320
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:23,440
I do intend to look into the idea that

2321
01:44:29,490 --> 01:44:26,290
they kept them as I said at arm's length

2322
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:29,500
and as we even described in the

2323
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:31,810
wright-patterson book I believe they did

2324
01:44:37,050 --> 01:44:34,690
the same thing with Hynek yeah I stayed

2325
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:37,060
on you do a really good job of really

2326
01:44:41,310 --> 01:44:39,250
showing the progression from the

2327
01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:41,320
beginning of hynek's involvement through

2328
01:44:46,410 --> 01:44:44,380
literally his last days how he became

2329
01:44:48,899 --> 01:44:46,420
more and more frustrated and really

2330
01:44:52,109 --> 01:44:48,909
simply wanted to know the truth and yeah

2331
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:52,119
this is your book really does lay out I

2332
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:54,730
think that that process that Hynek went

2333
01:45:02,430 --> 01:44:57,610
through I you know really really I think

2334
01:45:04,649 --> 01:45:02,440
a poignant way I mean I really was

2335
01:45:08,189 --> 01:45:04,659
frustrated absolutely

2336
01:45:10,260 --> 01:45:08,199
I met panic in his final years several

2337
01:45:12,359 --> 01:45:10,270
times and will go into all those stories

2338
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,369
and a lot more we're talking to Donald

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shows so we have of course Don Ecker who

2406
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:15,600
for 20 years is done a show called dark

2407
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:18,930
matters and now we have on Sirius XM

2408
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:22,890
radio art bells dark matter okay we've

2409
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:25,290
got inside the real area 51 was my

2410
01:48:29,900 --> 01:48:27,690
lawyer that's right I just that's right

2411
01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:29,910
think of that you're absolutely correct

2412
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:31,860
that solid sniff joining gene and Chris

2413
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:33,810
the book is inside the real area 51

2414
01:48:37,820 --> 01:48:35,850
you're gonna say about the connection of

2415
01:48:39,710 --> 01:48:37,830
the two names no no I just I just

2416
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:39,720
realized that you're absolutely correct

2417
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:42,270
and I think especially if we see that

2418
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:45,750
even song titles and movie titles

2419
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:48,450
everything gets recycled you know like

2420
01:48:53,180 --> 01:48:50,730
for example Man of Steel the reboot of

2421
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:53,190
Superman yes was a movie called Man of

2422
01:48:57,110 --> 01:48:55,050
Steel many years ago it was not about of

2423
01:49:00,620 --> 01:48:57,120
course Superman so of course then of

2424
01:49:04,820 --> 01:49:00,630
course dark skies dark skies was a TV

2425
01:49:07,250 --> 01:49:04,830
show on NBC as part of the production

2426
01:49:09,020 --> 01:49:07,260
team was one of the creators and then

2427
01:49:12,170 --> 01:49:09,030
they had a movie called dark skies and

2428
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,180
was the bad movie by the way but of

2429
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:14,880
course it had nothing to do with the

2430
01:49:18,830 --> 01:49:17,400
other so the movie company owns the

2431
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:18,840
title they'll use it any way they want

2432
01:49:24,620 --> 01:49:21,840
okay the frustration of Hynek now I

2433
01:49:26,780 --> 01:49:24,630
remember this conversation because I was

2434
01:49:29,090 --> 01:49:26,790
there and the only other two people who

2435
01:49:32,210 --> 01:49:29,100
were there was charles berlitz mm-hmm

2436
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:32,220
and allen hynek and i introduced

2437
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:34,110
Bareilles to Hynek I knew Berlitz in the

2438
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:35,760
late 70s and I introduced in the high

2439
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:38,010
neck and Hynek at that point was

2440
01:49:43,220 --> 01:49:40,890
concerned over how to get more attention

2441
01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:43,230
to his books and I guess this is around

2442
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:44,670
the time he had already sold the book

2443
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:47,570
for Close Encounters of the Third Kind

2444
01:49:54,290 --> 01:49:51,690
sales for his book because he saw that

2445
01:49:56,660 --> 01:49:54,300
for example Berlitz had the Bermuda

2446
01:49:58,610 --> 01:49:56,670
Triangle and all that Roswell incident

2447
01:50:00,530 --> 01:49:58,620
yes right

2448
01:50:04,730 --> 01:50:00,540
that was an interesting conversation I

2449
01:50:06,740 --> 01:50:04,740
also interviewed Hynek late 70s and I

2450
01:50:09,860 --> 01:50:06,750
could see where he was seeing the UFO

2451
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:09,870
mystery was a lot more complicated then

2452
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:12,960
he first expected it to be a lot more

2453
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:15,570
involved and maybe then there was part

2454
01:50:19,700 --> 01:50:17,490
of his frustration over not getting all

2455
01:50:21,740 --> 01:50:19,710
the information that would be helpful to

2456
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:21,750
reach some conclusions to tell us what

2457
01:50:26,690 --> 01:50:25,290
you know about this well as we described

2458
01:50:29,150 --> 01:50:26,700
throughout the book and it's one of the

2459
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:29,160
reason is that and we've been criticized

2460
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,650
again by a few colleagues within the

2461
01:50:36,710 --> 01:50:33,360
field that well we didn't need you to

2462
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:36,720
rehash the official investigation by the

2463
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:39,870
air force of the UFO investigation

2464
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:42,360
project sine grudge Blue Book Project

2465
01:50:46,670 --> 01:50:44,370
stork the conic committee and all that

2466
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:46,680
but we did all that just to basically

2467
01:50:53,290 --> 01:50:50,250
set up the two Hynek chapters as Chris

2468
01:50:56,180 --> 01:50:53,300
you mentioned as far as his frustration

2469
01:50:58,880 --> 01:50:56,190
everything that led up even to through

2470
01:51:02,240 --> 01:50:58,890
the evolution of his acceptance that

2471
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:02,250
there was a true phenomenon and then how

2472
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:05,310
sad and how bitter he was at the end

2473
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:07,860
that for all of his years of devotion

2474
01:51:14,570 --> 01:51:12,090
and commitment in trying to solve the

2475
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:14,580
mystery that the Air Force basically

2476
01:51:19,790 --> 01:51:17,280
just used him as a patsy he threatened

2477
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:19,800
the resign time and time again with the

2478
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:22,260
Air Force and they always talk them into

2479
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:24,090
staying and then at times they would

2480
01:51:29,690 --> 01:51:27,090
threaten to fire him if he didn't remain

2481
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:29,700
in lockstep as far as their you know

2482
01:51:34,580 --> 01:51:32,370
their official policy on the subject

2483
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:34,590
give Aiden if he didn't rot right out

2484
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:38,070
and always appease the media and then he

2485
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:41,970
truly felt betrayed after they Dexter

2486
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:46,050
and Arbor Michigan sightings when he was

2487
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:50,250
just besieged by that swamp gas but he

2488
01:51:57,770 --> 01:51:54,800
only intended it to explain away one

2489
01:52:01,280 --> 01:51:57,780
specific sighting at that time which

2490
01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:01,290
involved a farmer over a marsh area had

2491
01:52:05,180 --> 01:52:03,270
nothing to do with all the students and

2492
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:05,190
the police and all the other sightings

2493
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:08,610
at that time and he forever had to live

2494
01:52:14,959 --> 01:52:12,239
that down and yet it was another example

2495
01:52:17,509 --> 01:52:14,969
how the airforce basically just dangled

2496
01:52:20,750 --> 01:52:17,519
him I'll put him out on a limb and let

2497
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:20,760
him suffer the consequences we tell the

2498
01:52:26,839 --> 01:52:24,449
story with a Donald Rumsfeld for example

2499
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:26,849
where the first time that Rumsfeld was

2500
01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:29,550
Secretary of Defense during the Gerald

2501
01:52:33,799 --> 01:52:32,190
Ford administration and at hiney went

2502
01:52:36,620 --> 01:52:33,809
and paid him a personal visit at his

2503
01:52:38,569 --> 01:52:36,630
office in Washington expecting some

2504
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:38,579
answer is hoping that for all those

2505
01:52:43,700 --> 01:52:41,130
years of you know assisting the Air

2506
01:52:45,979 --> 01:52:43,710
Force investigation that Rumsfeld you

2507
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,989
know could give him a ball and give him

2508
01:52:50,419 --> 01:52:48,239
a carrot give him something and we

2509
01:52:53,569 --> 01:52:50,429
describe how Rumsfeld gets up from his

2510
01:52:57,259 --> 01:52:53,579
chair and walks over and leans down over

2511
01:52:59,299 --> 01:52:57,269
him and total dominance and says you

2512
01:53:01,549 --> 01:52:59,309
have no right to know

2513
01:53:03,620 --> 01:53:01,559
well that would turn out to be the case

2514
01:53:06,109 --> 01:53:03,630
right up to the time he would die that

2515
01:53:09,319 --> 01:53:06,119
they felt he had no right to know

2516
01:53:11,839 --> 01:53:09,329
senator Barry Goldwater had no right to

2517
01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:11,849
know Bill Clinton could tell you that

2518
01:53:16,879 --> 01:53:14,639
you know for his efforts that he had no

2519
01:53:19,549 --> 01:53:16,889
right to know Jimmy Carter for his

2520
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:19,559
campaign promises that he was gonna

2521
01:53:24,500 --> 01:53:22,110
disclose the UFO FILES should he not

2522
01:53:26,899 --> 01:53:24,510
threat national security you have no

2523
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:26,909
right to know Dwight Eisenhower in his

2524
01:53:32,660 --> 01:53:29,340
own memoirs who was chief of staff of

2525
01:53:35,540 --> 01:53:32,670
the Army in 1947 who certainly was up to

2526
01:53:38,180 --> 01:53:35,550
his eyeballs as as far as the UFO

2527
01:53:40,330 --> 01:53:38,190
phenomena and in his own memoirs he

2528
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,340
complains and here's a five-star general

2529
01:53:46,879 --> 01:53:43,440
he complains that after he became

2530
01:53:48,410 --> 01:53:46,889
president the Pentagon didn't tell him

2531
01:53:54,020 --> 01:53:48,420
anything any longer

2532
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:54,030
so I mean it's a very taut ship I mean

2533
01:54:00,529 --> 01:53:56,610
we can name others and Hynek was just an

2534
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:00,539
example as a civilian they used him even

2535
01:54:06,529 --> 01:54:03,449
up to the time he died he was the good

2536
01:54:09,739 --> 01:54:06,539
soldier and he never was given any

2537
01:54:11,989 --> 01:54:09,749
closure and what a sad commentary do you

2538
01:54:13,879 --> 01:54:11,999
think that he was manipulated not just

2539
01:54:16,009 --> 01:54:13,889
not being given the information that

2540
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,019
maybe he wanted to have but he was

2541
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:18,239
manipulated by the government into may

2542
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:21,510
be providing disinformation I know that

2543
01:54:25,879 --> 01:54:24,090
has been suggested I know there's even

2544
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,889
you know talk that he

2545
01:54:30,919 --> 01:54:27,840
the founding of the Center for UFO

2546
01:54:33,379 --> 01:54:30,929
studies that it was to serve as a

2547
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:33,389
conduit should he ever acquire

2548
01:54:38,569 --> 01:54:35,369
information that he immediately would

2549
01:54:40,939 --> 01:54:38,579
turn around and you know willingly and

2550
01:54:43,219 --> 01:54:40,949
I'll pass it off to the Air Force pass

2551
01:54:45,709 --> 01:54:43,229
it off to the government as if he owed

2552
01:54:48,739 --> 01:54:45,719
them anything no plane to our listeners

2553
01:54:50,689 --> 01:54:48,749
you knew and worked with dr. Hynek it

2554
01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:50,699
was always hard to be with dr. Hynek

2555
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:52,739
because he was so intimidated by the

2556
01:54:57,319 --> 01:54:55,619
late Carl Sagan that he was always you

2557
01:54:59,179 --> 01:54:57,329
know saying well what will Carl say what

2558
01:55:02,000 --> 01:54:59,189
will Carl say every time he was going to

2559
01:55:03,370 --> 01:55:02,010
come out with a another reporter or the

2560
01:55:05,179 --> 01:55:03,380
release the results of another

2561
01:55:06,259 --> 01:55:05,189
investigation or write up another

2562
01:55:09,319 --> 01:55:06,269
article

2563
01:55:11,899 --> 01:55:09,329
what will Carl say he was so concerned

2564
01:55:14,299 --> 01:55:11,909
and we would always say well what should

2565
01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:14,309
Allen say what should dr. Hynek say

2566
01:55:19,549 --> 01:55:16,649
you're the authority you know just speak

2567
01:55:22,729 --> 01:55:19,559
your mind so he was far from putting out

2568
01:55:25,429 --> 01:55:22,739
this information as much as he also

2569
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:25,439
would always you know lament as he would

2570
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:28,380
say I'm an old man in a hurry and I just

2571
01:55:32,779 --> 01:55:30,510
hope that I don't reach that point that

2572
01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:32,789
I'm still struggling to come up with

2573
01:55:40,009 --> 01:55:36,209
answers and still I'm working on this

2574
01:55:42,290 --> 01:55:40,019
still trying to unravel this mystery as

2575
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:42,300
Hynek was and still coming up

2576
01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:43,260
empty-handed

2577
01:55:48,949 --> 01:55:46,380
the bearer of this information no I

2578
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:48,959
think he just became more frustrated as

2579
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:52,110
you described Chris that he was coming

2580
01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:55,110
up with a lack of information lack of

2581
01:56:00,259 --> 01:55:58,169
solution lack of resolution and I think

2582
01:56:03,439 --> 01:56:00,269
he relied on us all the more to help him

2583
01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:03,449
come up with you know the answers that

2584
01:56:08,509 --> 01:56:06,030
he was running out of time and

2585
01:56:10,939 --> 01:56:08,519
especially after he took ill at the end

2586
01:56:13,370 --> 01:56:10,949
he just became all the more frustrated

2587
01:56:16,580 --> 01:56:13,380
that he was going to leave this world

2588
01:56:18,469 --> 01:56:16,590
without any answers one of the things

2589
01:56:21,290 --> 01:56:18,479
that's always kind of struck me too is

2590
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:21,300
is the progression and the evolution of

2591
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:24,239
his thinking towards the end I think

2592
01:56:28,250 --> 01:56:26,249
Jacques ballet may have finally got to

2593
01:56:31,009 --> 01:56:28,260
him he he was really looking at this as

2594
01:56:33,370 --> 01:56:31,019
more of a paranormal sort of a subject

2595
01:56:36,589 --> 01:56:33,380
as opposed to something you know more

2596
01:56:38,110 --> 01:56:36,599
nuts-and-bolts oriented and he was

2597
01:56:40,300 --> 01:56:38,120
really at the end

2598
01:56:42,310 --> 01:56:40,310
really examining all sorts of

2599
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:42,320
out-of-the-box sort of creative thinking

2600
01:56:46,930 --> 01:56:44,690
and and an alternative theories about

2601
01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:46,940
what what the whole thing represented in

2602
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:50,050
terms of its impact on the culture and

2603
01:56:55,510 --> 01:56:52,810
he seemed to be really reaching out

2604
01:56:58,210 --> 01:56:55,520
because he was so frustrated I think

2605
01:57:00,460 --> 01:56:58,220
that that may have forced him to to go

2606
01:57:02,110 --> 01:57:00,470
to places that he as a as an astronomer

2607
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:02,120
as a scientist wouldn't wouldn't have

2608
01:57:07,420 --> 01:57:04,490
normally gone to so much more to talk

2609
01:57:09,970 --> 01:57:07,430
about about of course the late J Allen

2610
01:57:12,190 --> 01:57:09,980
Hynek okay the book is called inside the

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01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:12,200
real area51 from Donald Schmitt and

2612
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:15,290
Thomas Carey Donald Smith joins us we'll

2613
01:57:21,010 --> 01:57:18,410
talk more about dr. hynek's thinking in

2614
01:57:22,750 --> 01:57:21,020
the latter part of his life and

2615
01:57:24,190 --> 01:57:22,760
something that he kind of confirmed to

2616
01:57:26,050 --> 01:57:24,200
be in a very brief way when I

2617
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:26,060
interviewed him so we'll have more to

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so we all remember that very short scene

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in Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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where dr. Hynek is looking over the

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scene where et lands seven seconds he

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got seven seconds seven same time

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legendary inside the real area 51 Donald

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Schmidt co-author he worked at the

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Center for UFO studies with dr. Hynek

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and to summarize it and that you can

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expand on it it appeared that dr. Hynek

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was more open to a possible 4d or

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unusually paranormal explanation to UFOs

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he'd gone beyond the original et theory

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keep in mind it was the Socorro New

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Mexico case in April of 1964 that really

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turned him because he was starting to

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see that it was more and more nuts and

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bolts in fact the very last time that I

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even had dinner with dr. Hynek before he

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moved to Scottsdale Arizona and I will

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never forget his pounding his fists on

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the table

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when he stated Don its smacking more and

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more of nuts and bolts

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now that was at a time when he himself

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was getting into the crashed saucer

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retrieval cases he was pushing lens

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Stringfield who was really the father of

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such information such stories who

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started to really collect whether it was

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Roswell or a stick or kingman or

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02:03:38,210 --> 02:03:34,830
farmington or Kecksburg or other such

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02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:38,220
accounts these tales these Paul Taylor's

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02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:40,890
of not only UFO sightings but actual

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02:03:47,390 --> 02:03:43,890
crash retrieval cases and Hynek saw this

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as an opportunity to finally not only

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02:03:54,049 --> 02:03:50,430
get some hardcore information would

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02:03:58,159 --> 02:03:54,059
possibly get to see he felt that

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maybe and finally if we get to the right

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02:04:01,579 --> 02:03:59,039
people

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China has goldwater demanding of curtis

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lemay or requesting to see the physical

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02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:07,109
evidence that if Hina could build a

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02:04:09,979 --> 02:04:09,300
strong enough case that before it was

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02:04:13,069 --> 02:04:09,989
too late

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02:04:16,250 --> 02:04:13,079
he might finally also get to see some

2759
02:04:18,739 --> 02:04:16,260
physical evidence so he pushed lens

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string field repeatedly who was

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02:04:23,619 --> 02:04:21,300
maintaining his vow of silence you know

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02:04:26,449 --> 02:04:23,629
that he kept you know all of his names

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02:04:29,089 --> 02:04:26,459
confidential to this state they're still

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confidential and Hynek would meet with

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land

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over and over again and I was at some of

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02:04:37,129 --> 02:04:34,530
those meetings and I'll never forget one

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02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:37,139
such meeting at the Midland Hotel in

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Chicago Allan finally leaving the motel

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room saying LAN I feel sorry for you

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that you're you know carrying such a

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burden but that you just flatly refused

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to share it with even someone such as me

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02:05:00,379 --> 02:04:57,839
so Allan then suggested one last meeting

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02:05:02,659 --> 02:05:00,389
one less if I bring a third party in if

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02:05:05,869 --> 02:05:02,669
I bring someone else who is totally a

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02:05:08,889 --> 02:05:05,879
beyond reproach someone with just the

2778
02:05:12,589 --> 02:05:08,899
utmost credibility will you at least

2779
02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:12,599
reconsider working with us again he was

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02:05:17,419 --> 02:05:15,510
a man in a hurry he was an old man in a

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02:05:19,969 --> 02:05:17,429
hurry trying to at least have you know

2782
02:05:21,859 --> 02:05:19,979
some final evidence most people in the

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02:05:24,859 --> 02:05:21,869
UFO community don't even know who this

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02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:24,869
third party was but it was a late Neil

2785
02:05:32,359 --> 02:05:28,530
Armstrong Armstrong had actually agreed

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02:05:35,419 --> 02:05:32,369
with Hynek that if he could receive the

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02:05:38,029 --> 02:05:35,429
names and they could actually interview

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02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:38,039
they could actually go out and try to

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02:05:45,799 --> 02:05:41,760
confirm some of these stories that it

2790
02:05:48,829 --> 02:05:45,809
would give Hynek this one final

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02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:48,839
bargaining chip that he could go back to

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02:05:53,839 --> 02:05:51,510
the Air Force and say what about this

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02:05:55,790 --> 02:05:53,849
case what about this witness what about

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02:05:58,639 --> 02:05:55,800
you know what you have in your

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02:06:01,159 --> 02:05:58,649
possession could you at least give me a

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02:06:04,549 --> 02:06:01,169
glimpse before it's too late

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02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:04,559
so I think that's the primary reason

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that failing that

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effort that he then became

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all-encompassing he then sought out

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psychics and people who were into as you

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mentioned parallel universes an

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interdimensional travel and that's why

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02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:23,390
even Jacques Malay started to look like

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02:06:32,620 --> 02:06:26,560
if there's anybody that can give me any

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02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:32,630
answers please and he was as the day's

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02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:36,290
dwindled down just hoping that barring

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02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:40,570
any final phone call or letter from a

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Pentagon I'm even the President of the

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02:06:49,300 --> 02:06:47,360
United States dr. Hynek can we have a

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02:06:50,980 --> 02:06:49,310
private meeting can we show you can we

2812
02:06:52,660 --> 02:06:50,990
tell you something you've been a good

2813
02:06:55,930 --> 02:06:52,670
colleague a good soldier a good

2814
02:06:58,330 --> 02:06:55,940
consultant all these years let's give

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02:07:01,870 --> 02:06:58,340
you some closure let's give you some

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02:07:02,590 --> 02:07:01,880
answers never happened it sadly never

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02:07:06,460 --> 02:07:02,600
happened

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02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:06,470
done there's a one really amazing

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chapter in your book that that that

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really stands out at least in my mind

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02:07:17,140 --> 02:07:14,450
I'm a person like many people that

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02:07:20,080 --> 02:07:17,150
really want to look at it some sort of

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02:07:22,750 --> 02:07:20,090
physical evidence of actual non-human

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02:07:25,630 --> 02:07:22,760
entities and your chapter 20 the jaw

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bone that spoke Martian was very very

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compelling because we do have what is

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purportedly to be a mold from the jaw of

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02:07:39,070 --> 02:07:36,590
a supposed recovered alien and mostly a

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02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:39,080
story of john maas grove and i found

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02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:41,360
this really really interesting and i

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02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:43,850
think our listeners will - yes Musgrove

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had actually served at wright-patterson

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and then as as a dental technician at

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the Aero Med Center and then he would go

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on to work at the Veterans

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Administration Hospital just outside of

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Dayton and he'd be he was working on the

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fourth floor of the the the dental

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clinic and he was approached by his boss

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one of the technicians at the lab who

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brought in this bone this lower mandible

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this mandible bone that he needed to

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have a cast made a relief made

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from this bone and that he would be bye

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he'd be back the next day to pick it up

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and he merely took it to the sink

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because typically you would wash

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whatever blood saliva residue whatever

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biological matter may still be on on the

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bone and it was done he could see that

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it had long dried out that it was

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something that had aged for some time

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but what truly struck him was that it in

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no way resembled a human jaw bone a

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02:08:56,830 --> 02:08:54,050
human mandible first of all it had no

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teeth and it had nothing that suggested

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it ever had teeth there were a few posts

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would look like wooden posts that would

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have simply been to hold it open you

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know keep it or in an open position but

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nothing suggesting teeth and it was

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smaller and it came to a point so it

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didn't resemble any animal that he had

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ever seen as well so he would cast the

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mold the next day his boss would pick it

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up and he would hand him the the replica

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and his boss then would take the relief

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would take as far as the actual cast

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relief and he would crumble it up and he

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would toss it into the wastepaper basket

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and said you're not to say another word

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about this you did not have anything to

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do as far as with this project I don't

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want to ever hear you bring this up

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again well he waited a few moments after

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he left and he started to follow he

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followed him from some distance and he

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watched from the lobby as he went

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outside and he met with two officers who

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were waiting out in the parking lot you

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know I want to break the story now and

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finish it in our next segment pretty

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good right we're going to continue this

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story it's a cliffhanger folks in our

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next segment with Donald Schmidt with

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02:12:33,700 --> 02:12:31,070
call one eight seven seven nine

2933
02:12:37,330 --> 02:12:33,710
ix Berkey that's eight seven seven nine

2934
02:12:40,420 --> 02:12:37,340
nine ber K ey big berkey water filters

2935
02:12:43,390 --> 02:12:40,430
for the love of clean water nutritious

2936
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:43,400
food is real body armor it builds muscle

2937
02:12:48,010 --> 02:12:46,010
burns fat improves digestion and feeds

2938
02:12:50,260 --> 02:12:48,020
the entire body the nutrients it needs

2939
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:50,270
did you know the US government banned

2940
02:12:53,710 --> 02:12:51,770
the hemp plant from growing in the

2941
02:12:55,900 --> 02:12:53,720
United States and classified it as a

2942
02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:55,910
Schedule one drug to hide it behind the

2943
02:12:59,500 --> 02:12:57,530
marijuana plant people have been

2944
02:13:01,900 --> 02:12:59,510
confused about this plan for over 80

2945
02:13:04,300 --> 02:13:01,910
years and many still don't know what imp

2946
02:13:07,090 --> 02:13:04,310
is so now you know him Pitts not

2947
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:07,100
marijuana and marijuana is not him they

2948
02:13:09,460 --> 02:13:08,810
are different varieties of the same

2949
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:09,470
species

2950
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:11,930
hemp USA org wants the world to know

2951
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,760
these basic facts and to help people

2952
02:13:17,980 --> 02:13:15,920
understand that him protein powder is

2953
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:17,990
the best kept health secret you need to

2954
02:13:22,810 --> 02:13:20,480
know about remember him protein powder

2955
02:13:25,870 --> 02:13:22,820
contains 53 percent protein he's

2956
02:13:28,270 --> 02:13:25,880
gluten-free anti inflammatory non-gmo

2957
02:13:30,220 --> 02:13:28,280
and is loaded with nutrients call eight

2958
02:13:31,780 --> 02:13:30,230
eight eight nine one zero four three six

2959
02:13:34,060 --> 02:13:31,790
seven eight eight eight nine one zero

2960
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:34,070
four three six seven and see what our

2961
02:13:39,550 --> 02:13:36,410
powders seeds and oil can do for you

2962
02:13:41,890 --> 02:13:39,560
only in USA org

2963
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:41,900
my name is Bruno I'm 52 years old I've

2964
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:43,730
tried different protein powders over the

2965
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:45,290
years and they've all tasted pretty bad

2966
02:13:49,060 --> 02:13:46,970
I tried one rolled away and found it to

2967
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:49,070
be delicious after 10 weeks on one world

2968
02:13:52,510 --> 02:13:50,930
way my wife commented you have more

2969
02:13:54,700 --> 02:13:52,520
muscles and you're leaner than when you

2970
02:13:57,220 --> 02:13:54,710
were 20 years old my body has changed

2971
02:13:59,170 --> 02:13:57,230
dramatically I'm a cyclist normally I'll

2972
02:14:02,080 --> 02:13:59,180
ride two days on and take two days off

2973
02:14:03,970 --> 02:14:02,090
after being on one world way I wrote ten

2974
02:14:06,190 --> 02:14:03,980
days in a row and over 100 degree heat

2975
02:14:07,900 --> 02:14:06,200
and then I take another two servings of

2976
02:14:10,210 --> 02:14:07,910
one world away and then work out at the

2977
02:14:12,580 --> 02:14:10,220
gym for another hour and a half I just

2978
02:14:14,140 --> 02:14:12,590
couldn't believe these results my normal

2979
02:14:16,420 --> 02:14:14,150
muscle tightness and soreness after

2980
02:14:18,490 --> 02:14:16,430
working out are virtually gone don't

2981
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:18,500
take my word for it one will way comes

2982
02:14:23,170 --> 02:14:20,690
in single servings just give it a try

2983
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:23,180
for a health and taste sensation you'll

2984
02:14:27,580 --> 02:14:25,370
love call eight eight eight nine eight

2985
02:14:29,110 --> 02:14:27,590
eight three three two five that's eight

2986
02:14:31,180 --> 02:14:29,120
eight eight nine eight eight three three

2987
02:14:32,860 --> 02:14:31,190
two five that's eight eight eight nine

2988
02:14:33,970 --> 02:14:32,870
eight eight three three two five or

2989
02:14:44,170 --> 02:14:33,980
visit

2990
02:14:49,260 --> 02:14:47,130
[Music]

2991
02:14:52,150 --> 02:14:49,270
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2992
02:14:58,420 --> 02:14:52,160
listening to the Peres Cass

2993
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:00,830
with gene and Chris in the para cast

2994
02:15:05,630 --> 02:15:03,570
we're talking to the co-author of inside

2995
02:15:08,690 --> 02:15:05,640
the real area51 Donald Schmidt a

2996
02:15:11,150 --> 02:15:08,700
fascinating story where this guy goes

2997
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:11,160
out into the parking lot I gather yes

2998
02:15:18,380 --> 02:15:14,400
the head technician takes the original

2999
02:15:21,890 --> 02:15:18,390
bone mandible and this Newton asleep as

3000
02:15:24,470 --> 02:15:21,900
replicas and he hands it to two officers

3001
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:24,480
who immediately take both and place them

3002
02:15:29,930 --> 02:15:27,330
in a briefcase they shake hands and MA

3003
02:15:32,450 --> 02:15:29,940
scroll who is watching from the waiting

3004
02:15:36,350 --> 02:15:32,460
room on the lower level through the

3005
02:15:37,960 --> 02:15:36,360
glass door recognizes a colonel that he

3006
02:15:41,090 --> 02:15:37,970
had served under from wright-patterson

3007
02:15:44,810 --> 02:15:41,100
so to him it became apparent that they

3008
02:15:49,070 --> 02:15:44,820
had snuck this relic this artifact this

3009
02:15:50,990 --> 02:15:49,080
bone piece from wright-patterson plan

3010
02:15:53,390 --> 02:15:51,000
they want is just let's put this into a

3011
02:15:55,250 --> 02:15:53,400
time perspective this is 1979 so we're

3012
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:55,260
talking 30 years down the road yes

3013
02:15:59,810 --> 02:15:56,070
correct

3014
02:16:01,550 --> 02:15:59,820
and my scroll then realizing my god it's

3015
02:16:02,930 --> 02:16:01,560
even more important than I thought it

3016
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:02,940
was I just thought it was a unique

3017
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:06,450
specimen and here it's somebody at

3018
02:16:14,330 --> 02:16:09,770
wright-patterson who is retrieving this

3019
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:14,340
so he goes back to his lab and quickly

3020
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:17,850
takes the crushed relief from the waste

3021
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:21,570
per basket and he reassembles it he puts

3022
02:16:28,670 --> 02:16:24,570
it back together and he casts another

3023
02:16:32,810 --> 02:16:28,680
mold of it which he then would secure in

3024
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:32,820
a bank security box over the next 30

3025
02:16:38,360 --> 02:16:35,730
years before he would turn it over to

3026
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:38,370
the the reporter I had mentioned earlier

3027
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:41,519
from NBC News from the NBC affiliate in

3028
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:45,030
Dayton the late Carl day and then they

3029
02:16:54,220 --> 02:16:47,969
would keep it secured up until the time

3030
02:16:58,400 --> 02:16:54,230
he would die in 2010 and we received a

3031
02:17:01,459 --> 02:16:58,410
replica re an actual mold that is now on

3032
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:01,469
display at the Museum in Roswell with

3033
02:17:07,070 --> 02:17:03,210
the full account as you can read it in

3034
02:17:10,910 --> 02:17:07,080
the book so it's been tested by six

3035
02:17:14,629 --> 02:17:10,920
separate paleontologists and in

3036
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:14,639
each case they conclude they determined

3037
02:17:19,370 --> 02:17:16,290
that it is not human

3038
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:19,380
it is not primate it is not of any

3039
02:17:25,820 --> 02:17:22,170
animal and as one stated from the

3040
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:25,830
University of New York that it was not

3041
02:17:29,480 --> 02:17:28,800
human that it was something from off the

3042
02:17:32,540 --> 02:17:29,490
planet

3043
02:17:34,540 --> 02:17:32,550
so again interesting connection that it

3044
02:17:37,580 --> 02:17:34,550
appears to have come from

3045
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,590
wright-patterson Air Force Base right in

3046
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,080
the photographs in the book or really do

3047
02:17:46,129 --> 02:17:42,479
make you scratch your head because it's

3048
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:46,139
if it's real in the story if at face

3049
02:17:52,250 --> 02:17:48,450
value or if the story is is you know

3050
02:17:54,589 --> 02:17:52,260
real I don't know it's very compelling

3051
02:17:56,290 --> 02:17:54,599
but if the story is real I mean this

3052
02:17:58,459 --> 02:17:56,300
could be some really interesting

3053
02:18:01,790 --> 02:17:58,469
physical evidence that we could look at

3054
02:18:04,250 --> 02:18:01,800
and we do have some questions dawn from

3055
02:18:06,410 --> 02:18:04,260
our question bank at Forum dr. Perik

3056
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:06,420
asked calm and the first one I'm gonna

3057
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,250
ask is actually a series of questions

3058
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:11,040
from one of our moderators on the forum

3059
02:18:16,669 --> 02:18:14,010
and he says dawn I like to ask this of

3060
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:16,679
many in the field and it is simply do

3061
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:18,210
you believe in a behind-the-scenes

3062
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:20,610
control group whose role it is to keep

3063
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:23,130
the UFO reality a secret and to deal

3064
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:26,130
with related events as when they come up

3065
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:29,490
and see he what he's saying is that that

3066
02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:31,679
the members can't work forever so new

3067
02:18:36,860 --> 02:18:33,809
blood always has to come in all the time

3068
02:18:39,169 --> 02:18:36,870
and if Truman or Eisenhower had set this

3069
02:18:41,929 --> 02:18:39,179
in motion mj-12 or some like

3070
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,939
organization successive presidents

3071
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:43,200
obviously wouldn't have a need to know

3072
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:45,210
as we've discussed he thinks it's hard

3073
02:18:49,339 --> 02:18:47,250
to explain how such a group could for

3074
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:49,349
instance get quickly on the ground in

3075
02:18:52,940 --> 02:18:51,210
the event of a UFO crash or otherwise

3076
02:18:55,219 --> 02:18:52,950
comfort covers something up

3077
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:55,229
yes yes basically what he's saying is is

3078
02:19:00,110 --> 02:18:57,689
this thing has to be obviously over the

3079
02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:00,120
decades has to be self-perpetuating so

3080
02:19:04,730 --> 02:19:03,090
where do you fall down on a mj-12 or

3081
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:04,740
some sort of control group well I'm a

3082
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:07,290
skeptic on the documents I but I believe

3083
02:19:11,299 --> 02:19:10,110
that the mj-12 documents are

3084
02:19:13,580 --> 02:19:11,309
disinformation

3085
02:19:15,950 --> 02:19:13,590
that they do have a smattering of truth

3086
02:19:17,419 --> 02:19:15,960
but then there are clearly things that

3087
02:19:19,580 --> 02:19:17,429
are not truthful

3088
02:19:21,770 --> 02:19:19,590
the format I mean that's a it's a

3089
02:19:24,740 --> 02:19:21,780
separate show but certainly there was an

3090
02:19:27,560 --> 02:19:24,750
oversight committee appointed judge

3091
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:27,570
to ensure whatever the agenda whatever

3092
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,719
the policies word transcend the entire

3093
02:19:34,759 --> 02:19:32,880
event at that time the problem with

3094
02:19:36,799 --> 02:19:34,769
presidents they're walking to Street in

3095
02:19:38,650 --> 02:19:36,809
four to eight years so even you know

3096
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:38,660
I'll be at their commander-in-chief that

3097
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:40,800
projects have to be maintained they have

3098
02:19:46,129 --> 02:19:43,650
to continue I always said the example of

3099
02:19:47,870 --> 02:19:46,139
the general Leslie Grove who was in

3100
02:19:49,790 --> 02:19:47,880
charge of the Manhattan Project with the

3101
02:19:51,530 --> 02:19:49,800
development the atomic bomb and that

3102
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:51,540
even robert Oppenheimer used to always

3103
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:53,130
complain about who were all these other

3104
02:19:57,980 --> 02:19:55,710
people with him these civilians and

3105
02:19:59,660 --> 02:19:57,990
these other officers he was kind of

3106
02:20:02,060 --> 02:19:59,670
paranoid about the fact that he always

3107
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:02,070
arrived with this other team these other

3108
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:04,770
people and I believe that there was a

3109
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,530
team already in place in the event of an

3110
02:20:12,380 --> 02:20:09,600
atomic accident that they had the bomb

3111
02:20:16,250 --> 02:20:12,390
that these were precisely the very

3112
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:16,260
people that came in and were activated

3113
02:20:20,810 --> 02:20:18,720
to take charge of the recovery at

3114
02:20:24,380 --> 02:20:20,820
Roswell they were the doctors the nurses

3115
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:24,390
the pilots the officers all these people

3116
02:20:31,010 --> 02:20:27,210
that were brought in to take charge of

3117
02:20:32,690 --> 02:20:31,020
the incident so it wasn't a case of they

3118
02:20:35,480 --> 02:20:32,700
weren't available that they had to

3119
02:20:37,660 --> 02:20:35,490
quickly put together such personnel they

3120
02:20:41,330 --> 02:20:37,670
but they already were there its

3121
02:20:43,070 --> 02:20:41,340
substitute the UFO recovery in place of

3122
02:20:43,700 --> 02:20:43,080
an atomic accident to me it's just that

3123
02:20:46,940 --> 02:20:43,710
simple

3124
02:20:49,730 --> 02:20:46,950
the problem is has this group existed

3125
02:20:51,950 --> 02:20:49,740
throughout you know the last sixty-six

3126
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:51,960
years I think we've all been conditioned

3127
02:20:56,330 --> 02:20:54,000
we've all been indoctrinated to

3128
02:20:58,490 --> 02:20:56,340
disbelieve you know the subject we all

3129
02:21:00,920 --> 02:20:58,500
have this knee-jerk reaction whenever we

3130
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:00,930
hear anything ufo-related

3131
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:04,080
it's a taboo topic to the media the old

3132
02:21:08,830 --> 02:21:06,000
order has not passed it down to the new

3133
02:21:10,940 --> 02:21:08,840
I think most have died with the

3134
02:21:13,850 --> 02:21:10,950
realization that there is something to

3135
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:13,860
it and unfortunately the new new order

3136
02:21:19,820 --> 02:21:17,130
in many ways does not have access to the

3137
02:21:20,270 --> 02:21:19,830
true data and as a result I think it it

3138
02:21:22,730 --> 02:21:20,280
too

3139
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:22,740
gets buried beneath the multiple levels

3140
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:26,250
beneath wright-patterson or area 51 or

3141
02:21:30,200 --> 02:21:28,410
ever anybody believe the truth is still

3142
02:21:32,330 --> 02:21:30,210
being hidden and because they can't

3143
02:21:32,900 --> 02:21:32,340
break the code they can't find the on

3144
02:21:35,930 --> 02:21:32,910
button

3145
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:35,940
we may never I'm one of those who

3146
02:21:38,690 --> 02:21:38,010
believes there is never going to be any

3147
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:38,700
disclosure

3148
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:41,520
it's it's a forever buried unfortunately

3149
02:21:46,130 --> 02:21:43,290
yeah how can you disclose that you're

3150
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:46,140
more confused than even the public could

3151
02:21:49,310 --> 02:21:47,130
possibly imagine

3152
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:49,320
exactly well a question - from God's

3153
02:21:54,170 --> 02:21:51,450
Makai who's one of our moderators at

3154
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,180
forum dr. Peric ascom where you two

3155
02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:56,340
listeners can sign up on the forum and

3156
02:22:00,260 --> 02:21:58,500
ask questions of our guests his second

3157
02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:00,270
question has to do with the fabled Blue

3158
02:22:05,480 --> 02:22:03,120
Room or as it's become - I guess kind of

3159
02:22:07,250 --> 02:22:05,490
erroneously be known as hangar 18 it's

3160
02:22:09,380 --> 02:22:07,260
he says basically a rumored area at

3161
02:22:11,719 --> 02:22:09,390
right path it houses all UFO related

3162
02:22:13,550 --> 02:22:11,729
stuff if it exists must occupy space

3163
02:22:16,340 --> 02:22:13,560
over or underground

3164
02:22:18,170 --> 02:22:16,350
I'd heard someone got recent plans for

3165
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:18,180
the whole base and there was quite an

3166
02:22:21,469 --> 02:22:20,250
extensive underground component some

3167
02:22:24,770 --> 02:22:21,479
having been added on in the

3168
02:22:28,370 --> 02:22:24,780
not-too-distant past and you go into

3169
02:22:30,260 --> 02:22:28,380
actually quite a bit of depth about this

3170
02:22:31,700 --> 02:22:30,270
particular subject but he brings up

3171
02:22:33,380 --> 02:22:31,710
something very interesting and I think

3172
02:22:35,330 --> 02:22:33,390
you addressed this in the book people

3173
02:22:37,969 --> 02:22:35,340
have to take out the garbage the place

3174
02:22:41,179 --> 02:22:37,979
needs to be cleaned the the HVAC system

3175
02:22:43,730 --> 02:22:41,189
has to be working people are having to

3176
02:22:45,050 --> 02:22:43,740
have access to this particular very

3177
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:45,060
highly restricted area

3178
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:46,770
why don't you describe some of the

3179
02:22:51,230 --> 02:22:49,200
source and very compelling sources that

3180
02:22:53,929 --> 02:22:51,240
you've come up with in the book that do

3181
02:22:56,120 --> 02:22:53,939
give us a tantalizing look at what that

3182
02:22:58,429 --> 02:22:56,130
particular facility is and it's not

3183
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:58,439
actually hangar 18 it's it's a different

3184
02:23:05,420 --> 02:23:01,200
complex it's called building 18 and it

3185
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:05,430
was at one time connected by a tunnel -

3186
02:23:12,890 --> 02:23:10,050
hangar 23 which is the UM right next

3187
02:23:15,170 --> 02:23:12,900
door and if you were to go to hangar 23

3188
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:15,180
today you'd see it's all freshly poured

3189
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:18,090
concrete as far as the floor so it's

3190
02:23:23,390 --> 02:23:20,970
been sealed off that that underground

3191
02:23:26,900 --> 02:23:23,400
vault has been closed off and yet

3192
02:23:30,890 --> 02:23:26,910
building 18 consists of building 18 a

3193
02:23:35,620 --> 02:23:30,900
and B and C and so on when Hynek for

3194
02:23:39,320 --> 02:23:35,630
example continued as a consultant to

3195
02:23:42,820 --> 02:23:39,330
controversial aerial phenomena as his

3196
02:23:48,350 --> 02:23:42,830
job description was post Blue Book from

3197
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the reel area 51 and again with all my

3325
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cinematic references and I point out

3326
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this is popular culture so things that

3327
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are actually happening you know look

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this is what's going on this is all the

3329
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stuff that's happened in our society we

3330
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mirror that in our movies so of course I

3331
02:29:22,581 --> 02:29:20,221
mentioned very briefly that the closing

3332
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scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark for

3333
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Indiana Jones and his girlfriend they

3334
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leave this building and then they take

3335
02:29:33,741 --> 02:29:31,081
the Ark of the Covenant and they bury it

3336
02:29:35,631 --> 02:29:33,751
in a dusty basement or maybe this is a

3337
02:29:39,261 --> 02:29:35,641
warehouse 13 which is the sci-fi series

3338
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:39,271
so do we consider maybe that down there

3339
02:29:46,520 --> 02:29:42,240
at wright-patterson Base there is a

3340
02:29:48,650 --> 02:29:46,530
warehouse 13 there was at least up until

3341
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the early 80s as we spell out throughout

3342
02:29:53,241 --> 02:29:51,841
the book yeah you know we always pointed

3343
02:29:56,331 --> 02:29:53,251
out that Hollywood hasn't come up with

3344
02:30:00,081 --> 02:29:56,341
an original idea in the last 50 60 years

3345
02:30:02,690 --> 02:30:00,091
they tend to reflect you know the kind

3346
02:30:04,911 --> 02:30:02,700
of the present culture even prior to

3347
02:30:08,451 --> 02:30:04,921
this the summer the wave of UFO

3348
02:30:10,821 --> 02:30:08,461
sightings in 1947 whether it was Flash

3349
02:30:13,161 --> 02:30:10,831
Gordon or Buck Rogers you know alien

3350
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:13,171
spacecraft were still depicted as rocket

3351
02:30:20,211 --> 02:30:16,730
ships and it was wasn't it was only

3352
02:30:22,701 --> 02:30:20,221
after the flying discs and the very

3353
02:30:25,551 --> 02:30:22,711
current flying saucer was coined in the

3354
02:30:27,711 --> 02:30:25,561
summer 47 that the movies started to

3355
02:30:30,470 --> 02:30:27,721
reflect you know the flying saucers or

3356
02:30:32,451 --> 02:30:30,480
anyway at the at the end of the movie

3357
02:30:34,821 --> 02:30:32,461
Raiders the Lost Ark and the Ark of the

3358
02:30:37,100 --> 02:30:34,831
Covenant is lowered into that crate and

3359
02:30:39,861 --> 02:30:37,110
it's nailed shut and stamped top-secret

3360
02:30:41,861 --> 02:30:39,871
ants wheeled into that hangar warehouse

3361
02:30:45,171 --> 02:30:41,871
13 as you mentioned you know full of

3362
02:30:47,031 --> 02:30:45,181
thousands of other hangars I always

3363
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:47,041
mentioned I brought that up to dr. Hynek

3364
02:30:53,180 --> 02:30:50,610
because at the time they were discussing

3365
02:30:54,881 --> 02:30:53,190
the possibility of doing a sequel

3366
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:54,891
two Close Encounters of the Third Kind

3367
02:31:00,230 --> 02:30:57,690
so I suggested the next time that he

3368
02:31:01,970 --> 02:31:00,240
should be meeting with Spielberg ask him

3369
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:01,980
that question you know what was he

3370
02:31:06,411 --> 02:31:03,690
inferring what was he suggesting with

3371
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:06,421
that at closing scene and months would

3372
02:31:10,970 --> 02:31:08,160
pass and I would get a phone call from

3373
02:31:11,841 --> 02:31:10,980
from dr. Hynek and he had just had

3374
02:31:15,230 --> 02:31:11,851
breakfast

3375
02:31:18,020 --> 02:31:15,240
in Hollywood with Spielberg that morning

3376
02:31:20,841 --> 02:31:18,030
and he said Don you're absolutely

3377
02:31:23,450 --> 02:31:20,851
correct Stephen as he would call him

3378
02:31:26,091 --> 02:31:23,460
Stephen said that if they should have

3379
02:31:29,001 --> 02:31:26,101
ever recovered remnants of a flying

3380
02:31:31,161 --> 02:31:29,011
saucer of a UFO that's precisely what

3381
02:31:34,041 --> 02:31:31,171
they would do if they couldn't figure

3382
02:31:37,161 --> 02:31:34,051
out the technology all they could do is

3383
02:31:39,470 --> 02:31:37,171
create it up and hide it bury it for all

3384
02:31:43,011 --> 02:31:39,480
time you know to come well then as we

3385
02:31:45,501 --> 02:31:43,021
remember in his last Indiana Jones movie

3386
02:31:47,900 --> 02:31:45,511
in the Crystal Skull that's the opening

3387
02:31:52,251 --> 02:31:47,910
scene where they go to the hangar and

3388
02:31:54,320 --> 02:31:52,261
sure enough that's the locker with one

3389
02:31:56,990 --> 02:31:54,330
of the bodies you know recovered from

3390
02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:57,000
Roswell in 1947 so it picked up where

3391
02:32:02,690 --> 02:32:00,240
that first Indiana Jones had left off so

3392
02:32:05,900 --> 02:32:02,700
again Hollywood mirroring you know

3393
02:32:10,190 --> 02:32:05,910
reflecting the the the current culture

3394
02:32:12,650 --> 02:32:10,200
so was there is there there was there

3395
02:32:15,740 --> 02:32:12,660
was such an underground facility at

3396
02:32:19,100 --> 02:32:15,750
wright-patt that's the question then so

3397
02:32:22,220 --> 02:32:19,110
maybe ET the bodies

3398
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:22,230
maybe the spaceship from Roswell if they

3399
02:32:29,661 --> 02:32:25,650
did recover that it's being kept on ice

3400
02:32:33,291 --> 02:32:29,671
it's dusty moldy and they gave up

3401
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:33,301
looking at it years ago or as one of the

3402
02:32:38,030 --> 02:32:35,370
officers described to it and you brought

3403
02:32:41,261 --> 02:32:38,040
it up one of the great things and maybe

3404
02:32:44,121 --> 02:32:41,271
that's where such a facility as area 51

3405
02:32:48,051 --> 02:32:44,131
where the only surveillance you truly

3406
02:32:50,450 --> 02:32:48,061
have is via satellite and as much as it

3407
02:32:53,711 --> 02:32:50,460
may be underground you have total

3408
02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:53,721
containment you have no fear of

3409
02:32:58,490 --> 02:32:56,730
information leaking out the problem that

3410
02:33:00,530 --> 02:32:58,500
developed with wright-patt is that

3411
02:33:02,961 --> 02:33:00,540
you're in the middle of a city and as

3412
02:33:06,750 --> 02:33:02,971
one of the officers said to us they had

3413
02:33:09,750 --> 02:33:06,760
a hell of a time keeping the information

3414
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:09,760
as far as bringing it materials through

3415
02:33:15,240 --> 02:33:12,250
downtown they were basically bringing

3416
02:33:18,269 --> 02:33:15,250
materials and I'm not talking UFO I'm

3417
02:33:20,639 --> 02:33:18,279
talking about secret technology whatever

3418
02:33:22,370 --> 02:33:20,649
they were experimenting with that they

3419
02:33:24,809 --> 02:33:22,380
were basically conducting their research

3420
02:33:27,960 --> 02:33:24,819
late at night because it was the only

3421
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:27,970
way that they could do anything as far

3422
02:33:33,809 --> 02:33:30,640
as under the cloak of secrecy of being

3423
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:33,819
in the middle of a populated area and I

3424
02:33:37,469 --> 02:33:35,290
would suggest the same for the same

3425
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:37,479
reason that they cleared everything out

3426
02:33:43,530 --> 02:33:40,810
30 years ago that they just found it

3427
02:33:46,139 --> 02:33:43,540
more and more impossible to keep you

3428
02:33:48,420 --> 02:33:46,149
know their deep dark secrets that the

3429
02:33:51,800 --> 02:33:48,430
next Barry Goldwater was gonna come

3430
02:33:54,540 --> 02:33:51,810
knocking and they could honestly say

3431
02:33:57,059 --> 02:33:54,550
there's nothing here we don't have

3432
02:33:59,309 --> 02:33:57,069
anything here and they wouldn't be lying

3433
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:59,319
about it a good way to get plausible

3434
02:34:03,330 --> 02:34:00,399
deniability huh

3435
02:34:04,740 --> 02:34:03,340
exactly so okay so we have maybe four

3436
02:34:07,740 --> 02:34:04,750
and a half minutes left for the segment

3437
02:34:09,300 --> 02:34:07,750
so let me ask you the deep dark question

3438
02:34:12,210 --> 02:34:09,310
the difficult question of you and your

3439
02:34:13,530 --> 02:34:12,220
co-author how do we prove any of this I

3440
02:34:15,900 --> 02:34:13,540
mean there's a lot of fascinating

3441
02:34:18,570 --> 02:34:15,910
information in your book a lot of

3442
02:34:20,099 --> 02:34:18,580
thought-provoking information but if

3443
02:34:22,650 --> 02:34:20,109
there's something over there at

3444
02:34:25,710 --> 02:34:22,660
wright-patt it's still secret of the way

3445
02:34:28,019 --> 02:34:25,720
if it's being kept that some kind of

3446
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:28,029
subsurface level we can't get to it

3447
02:34:35,820 --> 02:34:32,170
so what do we do next we continue to

3448
02:34:37,519 --> 02:34:35,830
seek out the physical evidence we're

3449
02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:37,529
having for example our fourth

3450
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:40,630
archeological dig at the Roswell debris

3451
02:34:48,719 --> 02:34:45,359
field just coming up and so we keep

3452
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:48,729
performing our own due diligence as we

3453
02:34:53,309 --> 02:34:50,970
realize we're racing with the Undertaker

3454
02:34:56,340 --> 02:34:53,319
we're running out of the world we're to

3455
02:34:59,639 --> 02:34:56,350
generation as evidenced by the loss of

3456
02:35:02,190 --> 02:34:59,649
even dr. Jesse Marcel jr. just a few

3457
02:35:05,969 --> 02:35:02,200
weeks ago we're not losing the children

3458
02:35:10,050 --> 02:35:05,979
of the eyewitnesses and as a result all

3459
02:35:12,809 --> 02:35:10,060
we can continue to do is seek out the

3460
02:35:15,540 --> 02:35:12,819
physical evidence find the bill browser

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02:35:18,420 --> 02:35:15,550
juniors who still may have a cigar box

3462
02:35:20,580 --> 02:35:18,430
hidden someplace some addicts some

3463
02:35:23,700 --> 02:35:20,590
basement that still has

3464
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:23,710
after all these years use the piece of

3465
02:35:29,340 --> 02:35:26,890
material as a bookmark and the family is

3466
02:35:32,010 --> 02:35:29,350
even aware that they're sitting on the

3467
02:35:33,780 --> 02:35:32,020
find of the millennium we're the ones

3468
02:35:35,130 --> 02:35:33,790
that are gonna continue knocking on the

3469
02:35:38,520 --> 02:35:35,140
door is we're gonna be the Barry

3470
02:35:40,830 --> 02:35:38,530
Goldwater's who beyond just let me see

3471
02:35:42,270 --> 02:35:40,840
well we know we're gonna have the doors

3472
02:35:44,460 --> 02:35:42,280
slammed in our faces

3473
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:44,470
I was denied you know access the last

3474
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:46,810
time I just wanted to bring a film crew

3475
02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:49,930
to wright-patt but we're gonna be the

3476
02:35:56,250 --> 02:35:52,530
ones still tracking down every surviving

3477
02:35:59,280 --> 02:35:56,260
individual we're gonna continue seeking

3478
02:36:02,580 --> 02:35:59,290
out you know the evidence that may still

3479
02:36:04,980 --> 02:36:02,590
be at the site that may still wash to

3480
02:36:09,929 --> 02:36:04,990
the surface after that next rain storm

3481
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:09,939
and if anyone is going to do it it has

3482
02:36:13,950 --> 02:36:11,770
to be us we're the proactive

3483
02:36:15,330 --> 02:36:13,960
investigators and I don't see anyone

3484
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:15,340
else lining up to do it

3485
02:36:19,849 --> 02:36:18,010
that's a big problem right here getting

3486
02:36:21,929 --> 02:36:19,859
the younger people interested in

3487
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:21,939
following through because when we're

3488
02:36:26,849 --> 02:36:23,770
gone as we will be gone unless we all

3489
02:36:30,480 --> 02:36:26,859
live forever who is going to pick up the

3490
02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:30,490
ax or the cudgel or who is going to doll

3491
02:36:35,130 --> 02:36:32,530
it through partner not gonna pick up the

3492
02:36:37,170 --> 02:36:35,140
gauntlet no you're correct there's no

3493
02:36:38,849 --> 02:36:37,180
money in it there's no future in it it's

3494
02:36:41,099 --> 02:36:38,859
one of the things whenever were

3495
02:36:45,090 --> 02:36:41,109
approached by younger people the subject

3496
02:36:49,620 --> 02:36:45,100
has become so complicated and so diverse

3497
02:36:52,650 --> 02:36:49,630
in opinion and those that the hardcore

3498
02:36:54,480 --> 02:36:52,660
believers who just you know well why are

3499
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:54,490
you people wasting all your time you

3500
02:36:59,400 --> 02:36:56,560
know you know searching for physical

3501
02:37:01,710 --> 02:36:59,410
evidence you know it's unnecessary

3502
02:37:04,950 --> 02:37:01,720
they've been here they're living amongst

3503
02:37:06,660 --> 02:37:04,960
us they've been abducting people we have

3504
02:37:12,510 --> 02:37:06,670
all the answers right under our noses

3505
02:37:15,719 --> 02:37:12,520
and I was a skeptic and it's become a

3506
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:15,729
conviction it's not a belief and as dr.

3507
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:18,010
Hynek schooled us very well and that

3508
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:20,560
when you conduct your own research no

3509
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:22,450
one could take that away from you but

3510
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:25,359
sadly as you as you pointed out Kris and

3511
02:37:32,280 --> 02:37:28,479
Jean there are no young people lining up

3512
02:37:34,439 --> 02:37:32,290
to be passed at the torch that if we

3513
02:37:37,469 --> 02:37:34,449
don't finish it I'm afraid that

3514
02:37:39,059 --> 02:37:37,479
it's gonna die with us as well damn it

3515
02:37:40,319 --> 02:37:39,069
please tell our listeners where they can

3516
02:37:42,539 --> 02:37:40,329
find more of your stuff

3517
02:37:45,959 --> 02:37:42,549
well the the book is certainly available

3518
02:37:53,429 --> 02:37:45,969
at Barnes & Noble and of course Amazon

3519
02:37:59,279 --> 02:37:53,439
bet.com our website is ww2 one word.com

3520
02:38:01,469 --> 02:37:59,289
and we continue our efforts at least we

3521
02:38:03,749 --> 02:38:01,479
are providing the testimony of the

3522
02:38:07,079 --> 02:38:03,759
eyewitness accounts of the witnesses as

3523
02:38:11,010 --> 02:38:07,089
they pass on that we represent their

3524
02:38:14,609 --> 02:38:11,020
best information and we will continue as

3525
02:38:16,639 --> 02:38:14,619
long as we are alive until we come up

3526
02:38:20,069 --> 02:38:16,649
with a resolution we're gonna continue

3527
02:38:22,170 --> 02:38:20,079
to leave no stone unturned and Kris

3528
02:38:25,170 --> 02:38:22,180
leaves no stone unturned on his site our

3529
02:38:29,899 --> 02:38:25,180
strange planet calm that's our strange

3530
02:38:33,719 --> 02:38:29,909
planet calm and you can find us over at

3531
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:33,729
the para Cass calm or go to forum dot of

3532
02:38:38,999 --> 02:38:36,489
the para cast calm and one more thing

3533
02:38:42,149 --> 02:38:39,009
you can find us on Twitter where we're

3534
02:38:43,649 --> 02:38:42,159
known as the para cast Donald Schmidt

3535
02:38:46,260 --> 02:38:43,659
thanks for joining us this week on the

3536
02:38:53,330 --> 02:38:46,270
power cast Thank You Tina and Chris I

3537
02:38:59,069 --> 02:38:55,819
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3538
02:39:00,870 --> 02:38:59,079
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3539
02:39:03,960 --> 02:39:00,880
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3540
02:39:07,769 --> 02:39:03,970
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